Discussion:
McCain Lampoons the Gender Wage Gap Myth
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MCP
2008-05-15 02:20:11 UTC
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Carey Roberts

Ready for a morning chuckle to jump-start your day? Pay a visit to Hillary
Clinton's website that claims with a straight face, "Women still earn
significantly less money than men for doing the same jobs."
[www.hillaryclinton.com/video/13.aspx]

The first part of Hillary's sentence is true - women indeed earn less than men.
But the last four words - "for doing the same jobs" - is as laughable as
Hillary's
dodging-sniper-bullets-in-Bosnia tale.

Let's say you have a job opening and two persons apply who have identical skills
and qualifications. Joe wants to be paid the prevailing wage, while Jackie says
she is willing to work for only 77 cents on the dollar.

Who would you hire? Jackie, of course.

So if women are doing exactly the same work as men and getting paid 23% less,
every profit-maximizing entrepreneur would hire only women. But last I heard,
men are still getting jobs. Obviously there's something wrong with the gender
wage gap theory.

Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."

But the Funny-Fems reflexively insist the culprit is sex discrimination, not
women exercising the right to choose their preferred work. So when they heard
Senator McCain's comments, they flew into a purple-passion rage. Within days
MoveOn rolled out its propaganda machine, making the claim that "Study after
study has shown that women are paid less than men for the same work."

That's good for another belly laugh, of course, because in eastern Kentucky, the
best paying jobs go to the sooty-faced men who are willing to descend 900 feet
into the ground and hope a boulder doesn't break loose from the mine roof.
That's
what happened to Cornelius Yates, who was crushed to death in a Kentucky coal
mine in January 2006.

Yates' death came just a week after 12 miners were killed in a West Virginia
mine explosion. And that followed a year in which nine miners died throughout
Kentucky.

Not surprisingly, women are not very interested in doing hazardous jobs that may
send them to the grave. Indeed study after study has shown that when differences
in the type of work, hours on the job, and education are accounted for, women
are treated fairly.

Actually, women may be doing better than men. According to the National
Association of Colleges and Employers, in many fields female college grads are
being offered higher starting salaries than their male counterparts.

Female physicists are getting $6,500 more. Co-eds who majored in petroleum
engineering are being offered $4,400 more. And women computer programmers are
being enticed with $7,200 extra pay. In fact for dozens of majors and
occupations, women coming out of college are getting better offers than men,
reveals Warren Farrell in his book, Why Men Earn More.

Why these disparities? Because in traditionally male-dominated professions,
employers are willing to ante up more greenbacks to attract females in order to
forestall a costly discrimination lawsuit.

So once again the radical left is caught red-handed, trying to push a socialist
scheme that centralizes bureaucratic control and weakens free markets. That's
the approach that brought the Soviet economy to its knees 20 years ago.

The Sisters of Silliness are out of touch with the needs of women. By scorning
the notion of education and disempowering women, they prove they are trying to
force women into a dependency relationship at the porcine foot-stool of the
government trough.
S***@yahoo.com
2008-05-15 14:43:47 UTC
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Carey Roberts
Ready for a morning chuckle to jump-start your day? Pay a visit to Hillary
Clinton's website that claims with a straight face, "Women still earn
significantly less money than men for doing the same jobs."
[www.hillaryclinton.com/video/13.aspx]
The first part of Hillary's sentence is true - women indeed earn less than men.
But the last four words - "for doing the same jobs" - is as laughable as
Hillary's
dodging-sniper-bullets-in-Bosnia tale.
Let's say you have a job opening and two persons apply who have identical skills
and qualifications. Joe wants to be paid the prevailing wage, while Jackie says
she is willing to work for only 77 cents on the dollar.
Who would you hire? Jackie, of course.
So if women are doing exactly the same work as men and getting paid 23% less,
every profit-maximizing entrepreneur would hire only women. But last I heard,
men are still getting jobs. Obviously there's something wrong with the gender
wage gap theory.
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
But the Funny-Fems reflexively insist the culprit is sex discrimination, not
women exercising the right to choose their preferred work. So when they heard
Senator McCain's comments, they flew into a purple-passion rage. Within days
MoveOn rolled out its propaganda machine, making the claim that "Study after
study has shown that women are paid less than men for the same work."
That's good for another belly laugh, of course, because in eastern Kentucky, the
best paying jobs go to the sooty-faced men who are willing to descend 900 feet
into the ground and hope a boulder doesn't break loose from the mine roof.
That's
what happened to Cornelius Yates, who was crushed to death in a Kentucky coal
mine in January 2006.
Yates' death came just a week after 12 miners were killed in a West Virginia
mine explosion. And that followed a year in which nine miners died throughout
Kentucky.
Not surprisingly, women are not very interested in doing hazardous jobs that may
send them to the grave. Indeed study after study has shown that when differences
in the type of work, hours on the job, and education are accounted for, women
are treated fairly.
Actually, women may be doing better than men. According to the National
Association of Colleges and Employers, in many fields female college grads are
being offered higher starting salaries than their male counterparts.
Female physicists are getting $6,500 more. Co-eds who majored in petroleum
engineering are being offered $4,400 more. And women computer programmers are
being enticed with $7,200 extra pay. In fact for dozens of majors and
occupations, women coming out of college are getting better offers than men,
reveals Warren Farrell in his book, Why Men Earn More.
Why these disparities? Because in traditionally male-dominated professions,
employers are willing to ante up more greenbacks to attract females in order to
forestall a costly discrimination lawsuit.
So once again the radical left is caught red-handed, trying to push a socialist
scheme that centralizes bureaucratic control and weakens free markets. That's
the approach that brought the Soviet economy to its knees 20 years ago.
Bullshit.
The Sisters of Silliness are out of touch with the needs of women. By scorning
the notion of education and disempowering women, they prove they are trying to
force women into a dependency relationship at the porcine foot-stool of the
government trough.
One stops feminism and all other forms of poliical 'silliness' through
_government_.

It is the american /west denial of that that allowed feminism and etc
silliness to bring all of us to our knees generations ago.

This is obvious.
Rock Brentwood
2008-05-15 20:44:13 UTC
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Carey Roberts
[The usual still-stuck-in-the-1960's-culture-war conservi-liberal
pseudo-debate deleted]

You're all wrong. (1) aggregate counts, (2) it's not segmentation that
makes the difference but time of birth (segmentation is a corollary of
this, not the cause, and (3) even by aggregate, men are NOT earning
more than women anymore, for the youngest generation, (4) even as a
corollary, segmentation is no longer relevant because of being
superseded by (3).

The conservatives are wrong. The liberals are wrong. They'er in tacit
agreement on the very thing that makes them both wrong.

The Glass Floor
http://federation.g3z.com/FedSeries/FallOfMankind/09.htm

What's interesting about the projection under the color chart is that
(5) it's undershooting the mark in recent years (meaning, the
advancement of women to higher wage-earners is ACCELERATING beyond
linear), and (6) it's otherwise right on the mark.

The projected date of the first over-100 female/male ratio for
aggregate wage levels cast there (2010) will likely be beat by a year
or two (i.e. either this year, 2008 or next 2009). That's for the
1988-1993 birth-year cohort.

The red region is starting to wrap around even to the older
generations in the 2005 area. That may be the first sign of a phase
shift -- tipping point reached. You already see that with the New York
data included, where women are swamping men in wage earning levels,
amongst those who graduated from college.

It's the baby boomer generation that's holding down the average, not
inappropriate segmentation.

That is: the very people who are trying to monopolize this debate, the
time-warped out-of-date geezers still stuck in their petty debates of
the 1960's, are the root of the ing disparity. Once they're
removed off the face of the earth by natural attrition, the true
disparity (which favors women) will be fully unmasked.

Right now, you're startting to see its unmasking, with the recent
surge in the female/male ratio in wage levels.
Viking
2008-05-16 16:56:24 UTC
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Whose fault is it that females make more than young men? The young men
didn't go to college, while the females did (yes, I know the females
took more frilly majors, but still).

Young men are actively discouraged by society from going to college.

And they let themselves be discouraged.

So it's both society's fault, and the fault of young men.

Good job, Gen X.
Viking
2008-05-15 18:43:22 UTC
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:20:11 +0100, "MCP"
Post by MCP
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
Wow, what a stinging rebuke to the feminists.
Not.

Still, I suppose of all three candidates (both dems have said that
females earn less for the same work), he's the best choice.

Marginally.

Very marginally.
S***@yahoo.com
2008-05-15 19:01:18 UTC
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Post by Viking
On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:20:11 +0100, "MCP"
Post by MCP
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
Wow, what a stinging rebuke to the feminists.
Not.
Still, I suppose of all three candidates (both dems have said that
females earn less for the same work), he's the best choice.
Marginally.
Very marginally.
But it continues the staus quo.

Add international oppression of the vestiges of 'masculinity' that
persist.

Anglo politics needs to be stopped, so that new ideas can "take over
history".
Dr. Lippschitz
2008-05-15 20:35:44 UTC
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Post by Viking
On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:20:11 +0100, "MCP"
Post by MCP
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
Wow, what a stinging rebuke to the feminists.
Not.
Still, I suppose of all three candidates (both dems have said that
females earn less for the same work), he's the best choice.
The only candidate is Dr. Ron Paul. He doesn't say anything but his policies
would equalise things. In a free market, companies will be free to hire who
they choose and very few would voluntarily hire females. They are just too
much of a problem. Constantly taking days off, never wanting to work the
difficult hours, looking for an excuse to sue the company and retire, more
concerned with catching a husband than doing their work, day care demanded
at work lol
Post by Viking
Marginally.
Very marginally.
Dr. Lippschitz
2008-05-15 20:25:47 UTC
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Post by MCP
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/14/mccain-lampoons-the-gender-wage-gap-myth/
Carey Roberts
Ready for a morning chuckle to jump-start your day? Pay a visit to Hillary
Clinton's website that claims with a straight face, "Women still earn
significantly less money than men for doing the same jobs."
[www.hillaryclinton.com/video/13.aspx]
The first part of Hillary's sentence is true - women indeed earn less than men.
But the last four words - "for doing the same jobs" - is as laughable as
Hillary's
dodging-sniper-bullets-in-Bosnia tale.
Let's say you have a job opening and two persons apply who have identical skills
and qualifications. Joe wants to be paid the prevailing wage, while Jackie says
she is willing to work for only 77 cents on the dollar.
Who would you hire? Jackie, of course.
So if women are doing exactly the same work as men and getting paid 23% less,
every profit-maximizing entrepreneur would hire only women. But last I heard,
men are still getting jobs. Obviously there's something wrong with the gender
wage gap theory.
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
But the Funny-Fems reflexively insist the culprit is sex discrimination, not
women exercising the right to choose their preferred work. So when they heard
Senator McCain's comments, they flew into a purple-passion rage. Within days
MoveOn rolled out its propaganda machine, making the claim that "Study after
study has shown that women are paid less than men for the same work."
They're full of shit. In fact, females are overpaid for what they do. I
think we're going to have to get really tough with these bitches who spread
this disinformation. The problem with men is that they're too soft and kind
and females take this as a sign of weakness which it's their Nature to
exploit. Never argue with a female or try to use logic. If a female tries to
spout this feminist bullshit, shout her down or disrupt their little
bullshit fest. If they march bomb them with rotten eggs or horseshit. See if
they'll march again lol Females will only engage in this bullshit if it's
safe or they have some girly man like a cop protecting their little
feelings. Once it gets tough they all turn into helpless confused little
girls(which is what they are) just as Hillary did in the debates.
Post by MCP
That's good for another belly laugh, of course, because in eastern Kentucky, the
best paying jobs go to the sooty-faced men who are willing to descend 900 feet
into the ground and hope a boulder doesn't break loose from the mine roof.
That's
what happened to Cornelius Yates, who was crushed to death in a Kentucky coal
mine in January 2006.
Yates' death came just a week after 12 miners were killed in a West Virginia
mine explosion. And that followed a year in which nine miners died throughout
Kentucky.
Oh, and let me remind you that these are in modern mines today with all
sorts of safety precautions. Imagine what it was like years ago.
Post by MCP
Not surprisingly, women are not very interested in doing hazardous jobs that may
send them to the grave. Indeed study after study has shown that when differences
in the type of work, hours on the job, and education are accounted for, women
are treated fairly.
Fairly? They are overpaid for what they do. 95% of females have jobs you can
train a 14yo girl to do.
Post by MCP
Actually, women may be doing better than men. According to the National
Association of Colleges and Employers, in many fields female college grads are
being offered higher starting salaries than their male counterparts.
Female physicists are getting $6,500 more. Co-eds who majored in petroleum
engineering are being offered $4,400 more. And women computer programmers are
being enticed with $7,200 extra pay. In fact for dozens of majors and
occupations, women coming out of college are getting better offers than men,
reveals Warren Farrell in his book, Why Men Earn More.
Very few females are interested in working. Work to a female is like
socialising and the higher the position they get just means that they are in
contact with wealthier men which is their whole objective.
Post by MCP
Why these disparities? Because in traditionally male-dominated
professions,
employers are willing to ante up more greenbacks to attract females in order to
forestall a costly discrimination lawsuit.
So once again the radical left is caught red-handed, trying to push a socialist
scheme that centralizes bureaucratic control and weakens free markets. That's
the approach that brought the Soviet economy to its knees 20 years ago.
The Sisters of Silliness are out of touch with the needs of women. By scorning
the notion of education and disempowering women, they prove they are trying to
force women into a dependency relationship at the porcine foot-stool of the
government trough.
MCP
2008-05-16 10:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by MCP
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/14/mccain-lampoons-the-gender-wage-gap-myth/
Carey Roberts
Ready for a morning chuckle to jump-start your day? Pay a visit to Hillary
Clinton's website that claims with a straight face, "Women still earn
significantly less money than men for doing the same jobs."
[www.hillaryclinton.com/video/13.aspx]
The first part of Hillary's sentence is true - women indeed earn less than men.
But the last four words - "for doing the same jobs" - is as laughable as
Hillary's
dodging-sniper-bullets-in-Bosnia tale.
Let's say you have a job opening and two persons apply who have identical skills
and qualifications. Joe wants to be paid the prevailing wage, while Jackie says
she is willing to work for only 77 cents on the dollar.
Who would you hire? Jackie, of course.
So if women are doing exactly the same work as men and getting paid 23% less,
every profit-maximizing entrepreneur would hire only women. But last I heard,
men are still getting jobs. Obviously there's something wrong with the gender
wage gap theory.
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage gap, they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's Studies grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
But the Funny-Fems reflexively insist the culprit is sex discrimination, not
women exercising the right to choose their preferred work. So when they heard
Senator McCain's comments, they flew into a purple-passion rage. Within days
MoveOn rolled out its propaganda machine, making the claim that "Study after
study has shown that women are paid less than men for the same work."
They're full of shit. In fact, females are overpaid for what they do. I think
we're going to have to get really tough with these bitches who spread this
disinformation. The problem with men is that they're too soft and kind and
females take this as a sign of weakness which it's their Nature to exploit.
Never argue with a female or try to use logic. If a female tries to spout this
feminist bullshit, shout her down or disrupt their little bullshit fest. If
they march bomb them with rotten eggs or horseshit. See if they'll march again
lol Females will only engage in this bullshit if it's safe or they have some
girly man like a cop protecting their little feelings. Once it gets tough they
all turn into helpless confused little girls(which is what they are) just as
Hillary did in the debates.
Post by MCP
That's good for another belly laugh, of course, because in eastern Kentucky, the
best paying jobs go to the sooty-faced men who are willing to descend 900 feet
into the ground and hope a boulder doesn't break loose from the mine roof.
That's
what happened to Cornelius Yates, who was crushed to death in a Kentucky coal
mine in January 2006.
Yates' death came just a week after 12 miners were killed in a West Virginia
mine explosion. And that followed a year in which nine miners died throughout
Kentucky.
Oh, and let me remind you that these are in modern mines today with all sorts
of safety precautions. Imagine what it was like years ago.
Post by MCP
Not surprisingly, women are not very interested in doing hazardous jobs that may
send them to the grave. Indeed study after study has shown that when differences
in the type of work, hours on the job, and education are accounted for, women
are treated fairly.
Fairly? They are overpaid for what they do. 95% of females have jobs you can
train a 14yo girl to do.
Post by MCP
Actually, women may be doing better than men. According to the National
Association of Colleges and Employers, in many fields female college grads are
being offered higher starting salaries than their male counterparts.
Female physicists are getting $6,500 more. Co-eds who majored in petroleum
engineering are being offered $4,400 more. And women computer programmers are
being enticed with $7,200 extra pay. In fact for dozens of majors and
occupations, women coming out of college are getting better offers than men,
reveals Warren Farrell in his book, Why Men Earn More.
Very few females are interested in working. Work to a female is like
socialising and the higher the position they get just means that they are in
contact with wealthier men which is their whole objective.
IOW they shag themselves to the top.
Post by MCP
Why these disparities? Because in traditionally male-dominated professions,
employers are willing to ante up more greenbacks to attract females in order to
forestall a costly discrimination lawsuit.
So once again the radical left is caught red-handed, trying to push a socialist
scheme that centralizes bureaucratic control and weakens free markets. That's
the approach that brought the Soviet economy to its knees 20 years ago.
The Sisters of Silliness are out of touch with the needs of women. By scorning
the notion of education and disempowering women, they prove they are trying to
force women into a dependency relationship at the porcine foot-stool of the
government trough.
f***@verizon.net
2008-05-16 17:39:32 UTC
Permalink
Keep your stupid lies off scj - no matter how much you hate Jews, you are
spamming.
Merton Lippschitz
2008-05-17 00:43:19 UTC
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Post by Dr. Lippschitz
Post by MCP
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/14/mccain-lampoons-the-gender-wage-gap-myth/
Carey Roberts
Ready for a morning chuckle to jump-start your day? Pay a visit to Hillary
Clinton's website that claims with a straight face, "Women still earn
significantly less money than men for doing the same jobs."
[www.hillaryclinton.com/video/13.aspx]
The first part of Hillary's sentence is true - women indeed earn less
than
men.
But the last four words - "for doing the same jobs" - is as laughable as
Hillary's
dodging-sniper-bullets-in-Bosnia tale.
Let's say you have a job opening and two persons apply who have identical skills
and qualifications. Joe wants to be paid the prevailing wage, while
Jackie
says
she is willing to work for only 77 cents on the dollar.
Who would you hire? Jackie, of course.
So if women are doing exactly the same work as men and getting paid 23% less,
every profit-maximizing entrepreneur would hire only women. But last I heard,
men are still getting jobs. Obviously there's something wrong with the gender
wage gap theory.
Last month Senator McCain was campaigning in the hard-scrabble coal fields of
Kentucky. He commented that if women want to overcome the gender wage
gap,
they
would need more "education and training." And knowing that Women's
Studies
grads
might not realize that coal mining is the economic mainstay of the region,
McCain then deadpanned, "traditionally, women have not gone into that line of
work."
But the Funny-Fems reflexively insist the culprit is sex discrimination, not
women exercising the right to choose their preferred work. So when they heard
Senator McCain's comments, they flew into a purple-passion rage. Within days
MoveOn rolled out its propaganda machine, making the claim that "Study after
study has shown that women are paid less than men for the same work."
They're full of shit. In fact, females are overpaid for what they do. I
think
we're going to have to get really tough with these bitches who spread this
disinformation. The problem with men is that they're too soft and kind and
females take this as a sign of weakness which it's their Nature to
exploit.
Never argue with a female or try to use logic. If a female tries to spout
this
feminist bullshit, shout her down or disrupt their little bullshit fest.
If
they march bomb them with rotten eggs or horseshit. See if they'll march
again
lol Females will only engage in this bullshit if it's safe or they have
some
girly man like a cop protecting their little feelings. Once it gets tough
they
all turn into helpless confused little girls(which is what they are) just
as
Hillary did in the debates.
Post by MCP
That's good for another belly laugh, of course, because in eastern
Kentucky,
the
best paying jobs go to the sooty-faced men who are willing to descend 900 feet
into the ground and hope a boulder doesn't break loose from the mine roof.
That's
what happened to Cornelius Yates, who was crushed to death in a Kentucky coal
mine in January 2006.
Yates' death came just a week after 12 miners were killed in a West Virginia
mine explosion. And that followed a year in which nine miners died throughout
Kentucky.
Oh, and let me remind you that these are in modern mines today with all
sorts
of safety precautions. Imagine what it was like years ago.
Post by MCP
Not surprisingly, women are not very interested in doing hazardous jobs
that
may
send them to the grave. Indeed study after study has shown that when differences
in the type of work, hours on the job, and education are accounted for, women
are treated fairly.
Fairly? They are overpaid for what they do. 95% of females have jobs you can
train a 14yo girl to do.
Post by MCP
Actually, women may be doing better than men. According to the National
Association of Colleges and Employers, in many fields female college
grads
are
being offered higher starting salaries than their male counterparts.
Female physicists are getting $6,500 more. Co-eds who majored in petroleum
engineering are being offered $4,400 more. And women computer programmers are
being enticed with $7,200 extra pay. In fact for dozens of majors and
occupations, women coming out of college are getting better offers than men,
reveals Warren Farrell in his book, Why Men Earn More.
Very few females are interested in working. Work to a female is like
socialising and the higher the position they get just means that they are in
contact with wealthier men which is their whole objective.
IOW they shag themselves to the top.
Post by Dr. Lippschitz
Post by MCP
Why these disparities? Because in traditionally male-dominated professions,
employers are willing to ante up more greenbacks to attract females in
order
to
forestall a costly discrimination lawsuit.
So once again the radical left is caught red-handed, trying to push a socialist
scheme that centralizes bureaucratic control and weakens free markets. That's
the approach that brought the Soviet economy to its knees 20 years ago.
The Sisters of Silliness are out of touch with the needs of women. By scorning
the notion of education and disempowering women, they prove they are
trying
to
force women into a dependency relationship at the porcine foot-stool of the
government trough.
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