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Vatican: Signs of Extraterrestrial Life - Stage is being set for the end of the UFO coverup + much more!
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Max
2009-11-13 19:08:17 UTC
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The world stage is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!

More details follow:

Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET


Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called
in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
and
its implication for the Catholic Church.

"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere
in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,"
said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the
Vatican Observatory.

The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited.

...the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.

"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs
bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an
intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for
our
self-image will be profound," he said.
...
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper
L'Osservatore
Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent
ones, does not contradict a faith in God.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes
said in that interview.
"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be
other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not
contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative
freedom."
...
from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens

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Most people believe what they are told, that there is no life on
Venus
or the other planets, but the spaceships, the UFOs, have been seen by
thousands of people for years, mainly from Mars and Venus, which are
the nearest planets to us. The governments of the world for over 60
years have denied the existence of UFOs, which indeed in growing
numbers are active in our skies. The governments have hoodwinked the
public for their own reasons, probably mixed. They have sought to
deny
the existence of UFOs, flying saucers, whereas people who have seen
them know that they are always present in our skies. The curious
thing
is that while denying the existence of UFOs they have sought to
denigrate occupants of these non-existent craft as malicious,
threatening the wellbeing of humanity.

What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power, which a
welcoming approach to the Space Brothers would ensure. They know that
if humanity knew that the spacecraft in our skies were not aliens
but were here to aid and alleviate the suffering of humanity on this
planet, and with their obviously far more advanced technology, people
would demand that they are openly welcomed and their superior
teaching
made available to them.

Earth scientists deny the existence of any form of life on Mars and
Venus and the other planets of the system. This is the result of
their
inadequate understanding of the true range of matter. These
scientists
acknowledge three planes solid, liquid and gaseous physical above
which, they have not the technology to measure. Therefore they
believe
more does not exist, yet the Masters and all students of esotericism
know that there are four further states of matter above gas, the
etheric planes of matter. It is on the etheric planes that can be
found life on our sister planets, from Mars, on the lowest etheric
level, up to extraordinarily advanced planets like Vulcan, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, and planets like Mercury, Uranus and Neptune. Venus,
the alter ego of Earth, is in the last of its seven rounds or
incarnations (equivalent to our incarnational experiences), while
Vulcan is completely perfected.

Spacecraft from these planets create the crop circles of which the
largest number are seen in Wiltshire, the southwest of England,
because Maitreya is in London. These crop circles are the calling
cards of the people who man the UFOs, to acknowledge that they are
here, without alarming people or infringing our free will. The craft
are so designed they can make in seconds the most complex design,
covering several hundred yards in diameter they have such an
advanced technology. They also are concerned in making this planet
habitable. They go through our skies mopping up and neutralizing
large
amounts of the nuclear waste and the general toxic muck that we pour
into the atmosphere. They are not allowed by karma to completely
clean
up the planet, but within karmic limits they do so. Otherwise life on
this planet would be very painful indeed: more people would be dying
than are dying, more people would be suffering from Alzheimers and
daily we would be more and more asphyxiated. So we owe the Space
Brothers a tremendous debt. Maitreya when asked will talk about the
Space Brothers. They are our brothers and sisters of our own
planetary
system. We work together, the Hierarchy of all the planets work
together in a kind of interplanetary parliament.

Excerpted from Questions and Answers in the Nov 2009 issue of Share
International with Benjamin Creme
http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-11.htm#q...
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"...all the Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a
distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of
extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers or UFOs (Unidentified flying
objects) if you want to call them by that name. Every time it
occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered
absolute silence." Maurice Chatlein - NASA scientist, inventor and
designer of the Apollo communications and data processing systems

"We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign,
planting
articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to make UFO reports
sound like Poppycock." CIA report January 1953.

"Our study would be conducted exclusively by "NON Believer's." The
trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the
public
it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion…. There is no
secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." Memorandum
from
Robert Low (Project Administrator CONDON report Oct 1966-Jan 1969)
to
Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall.

Air Material Command's opinion concerning flying discs: "The
phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or
fictitious.
The spread of the UFO's in global identity creates indisputable
evidence that their strategic operation center and home base could
only be extraterrestrial." Lieutenant General Twining - Commander
USAF
& Chief Of Staff - Sept 2, 1947.

" The Air Force and its investigative agency, project Blue Book, are
aware of Major Keyhoe's conclusion that Flying Saucers are from
another planet." Major Donald Keyhoe (Project Blue Book) Letter:
Flying Saucers from Outer Space, Air Corp. Washington (AFS)

" I feel the Air Force has not been giving out all available
information on these Unidentified flying objects. You cannot
disregard
so many unimpeachable sources." John McCormack, Speaker U.S. House of
Representatives - The Sunday Mirror, October 9, 1966.
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Two Theologians comment...

"UFO's are real and have Key Religious Significance. Recognizing the
existence and operation of these objects can do much to strengthen
faith and renew Biblical confidence. What is clear through Biblical
material that Gods will was revealed by beings from other worlds,
these beings looked very much like ordinary men - not having wings
which is only religious symbolism." Rev. B Downing - Pastor, B.S.
Physics Princeton Theological Seminary - University Edinburgh,
Scotland.

"From a theological point of view, the existence of these visitors is
not only just possible it is probable and likely. We would be naive
to
believe that God's grace has only be given to the inhabitants of
Earth." Father S.B. Reyna - Priest & Astronomer - Adhara Observatory
Buenos Aires. (also noted photographer of several UFOs over
observatory.)

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"God's desire to share his goodness would be better satisfied by
having myriad's of galaxies inhabited by intelligent beings." Rev.
Joseph Lynch, Fordham University, Seismologist. Four Hundred
scientists and space engineers applauded Dr. Lynch at the closing
session to symposium "The Search for Extraterrestrial Life". (AP) Los
Angeles - Appleton Post Crescent, May 26, 1966.

" Innumerable suns exist. Innumerable Earths revolve around these -
Living beings inhabit these worlds." Giordano Bruno, 1548 - 1600
Burnt
on the stake for heresy.


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Crop Circles

Representatives of the British Government in obedience to the ruling
elite, pays farmers to destroy crop circles because they know that
the
truth will end the global monopolies. 2009 has been a record year
for
the circles.
http://www.colinandrews.net/Crop-Circles-2009.html

The cover-up people have most people believing that crop circles are
man-made hoaxes.

If they are huge and geometrically perfect, chances are very good
that
they are real.

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The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to
fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence,
and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. They have over
400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses
testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with
UFOs,
ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information
secret. http://www.disclosureproject.org/

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Excerpt from "Inside The Space Ships", by George Adamski (1955)
I had to remind myself that, after all, they too were human beings
and, no matter how far advanced beyond us, must still be subject to
error and vicissitude...

Here again a wondering thought slipped in as I mentally questioned
what they had found on the other planets they had visited.

... He continued without interruption. With the sole exception of
inhabitants on Earth, we have found the peoples of
other worlds to be very friendly. They, too, have gigantic space
cruisers for the pleasure and education of their fellowmen. As we
visit their planets and are welcomed, they also visit ours as
friends.
It is to the Earth alone that these passenger cruisers never
approach.
Nor will they be permitted to do so until your people have a greater
understanding of fellowship as well as of the Universe beyond the
limiting confines of your own little planet.

The first fact your people must realize is that the inhabitants of
other worlds are not fundamentally different from Earth men. The
purpose of life on other worlds is basically the same as yours.
Inherent in all mankind, however deeply buried it may be, is the
yearning to rise to something higher. Your school system on Earth is,
in a sense, patterned after the universal progress of life. For in
your schools you progress from grade to grade and from school to
school, toward a higher and fuller education. In the same way, man
progresses from planet to planet, and from system to system toward an
ever higher understanding and evolvement in universal growth and
service.

from: George Adamski's book "Inside The Space Ships" (1955)
free download or view:
http://www.thenewearth.org/InsideTheSpaceShips.html
http://www.divshare.com/download/7933022-1ed
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11656731/Inside-the-Space-Ships-George-Adamski
http://www.box.net/shared/xmzzo9n3ig (pdf)

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There is no other course."
The world Teacher
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John Stafford
2009-11-13 20:55:28 UTC
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Post by Max
What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power
Obama! I never thought...

I WANT TO SEE THAT BIRTH CERTIFICATE NOW!

..................
Born to Vat 201X, Mr. Mxplx 0blamix
ZerkonXXXX
2009-11-14 14:32:26 UTC
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Post by Max
possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
Whatever the Jesuits (catholics) say, they confine to their own interests
which comes down to "Will they upset us and will they donate?".

If this topic is to be taken seriously "as is" by others maybe a sort of
reductionist approach would be helpful.

"Extraterrestrial Alien life" seems a redundancy but maybe not. The alien
life form here, I am guessing, is basically a form of life that is human-
like. Something that resembles humans enough to be a 'them' to our 'us'.

However, considering all possibilities of all forms of life from the very
very small to the very very big, most forms of life have no resemblance
to humans at all. Bactria, virus and mold spores, for example. Also some
things that make up our life, like minerals and amino acids, are not
considered human like.

There is every possibility that some form or element of extraterrestrial
life is now and and been a part of life on earth.

Also, unless one believes the earth just suddenly happened along with
every other thing on it, all life now on earth was at some point in some
form extraterrestrial and so alien.

IOW, this version of "alien life" is a issue of newer immigrates who
hopefully will not show up holding a deed of ownership and worse: lawyers.
John Stafford
2009-11-14 15:35:25 UTC
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Post by ZerkonXXXX
Post by Max
possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
Whatever the Jesuits (catholics) say, they confine to their own interests
which comes down to "Will they upset us and will they donate?".
If this topic is to be taken seriously "as is" by others maybe a sort of
reductionist approach would be helpful.
"Extraterrestrial Alien life" seems a redundancy but maybe not. The alien
life form here, I am guessing, is basically a form of life that is human-
like. Something that resembles humans enough to be a 'them' to our 'us'.
The pragmatic Jesuit would consider other life if it could communicate
with humans. All else is possibly food.
Post by ZerkonXXXX
There is every possibility that some form or element of extraterrestrial
life is now and and been a part of life on earth.
http://www.panspermia.org/
Post by ZerkonXXXX
Also, unless one believes the earth just suddenly happened along with
every other thing on it, all life now on earth was at some point in some
form extraterrestrial and so alien.
Insects!
Post by ZerkonXXXX
IOW, this version of "alien life" is a issue of newer immigrates who
hopefully will not show up holding a deed of ownership and worse: lawyers.
I take exception: I do not believe lawyers are a real life form.
Society
2009-11-14 22:47:20 UTC
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Post by Max
[...]
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer
Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo
Well, well, there's your first falsehood in this article.
The Vatican never "locked up" Galileo. Willie Horton
(thanks, Gov. Dukakis!) had less freedom to come and go
than Galileo did.
Post by Max
for challenging the view that the Earth was the center
of the universe,
There's your second falsehood in this article. I suggest the
A.P. reporter go take a look at the actual indictment against
Galileo instead of repeating the usual stuff 'everybody knows'
that just ain't so.

Sheesh! Where are the legions of editors and fact checkers
that are supposed to be what separates the Establishment
Media from, say, mere bloggers?
Post by Max
the Vatican has called in experts to study the possibility
of extraterrestrial alien life and its implication
for the Catholic Church.
Those Catholic Christians are amazing; they invent the
scientific method, the university system, one of their deacons
is famous for developing a heliocentric theory of the solar
system, a priest devises the genetic theory of inherited traits
and demonstrates the existence of genes, another priest
develops the cosmological theory that atheists later mock
by dubbing it "the Big Bang theory."
Post by Max
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists
elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve
serious consideration," said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes,
an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.
The Church founded by Jesus has long been interested in
the study of astronomical phenomena; some of the great
gothic cathedrals of the Church that were built during the
so-called Dark Ages included observatories.
Post by Max
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically
through the centuries
...but not on essential matters of faith and morals...
Post by Max
since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned
at the stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among
other ideas, that other worlds could be inhabited.
While Giordano Bruno had such speculations, that wasn't
why he was condemned as a heretic. There's your third
falsehood (no wonder stuff in newspapers are called
"stories" :-) Three strikes and the A.P. is out!
--
POP QUIZ: How many craters on the Moon are named
after Catholic Christian clergy? (For extra credit, identify
how many of those craters are named after Jesuit priests.)
PolishKnight
2009-11-17 23:51:22 UTC
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Post by Society
Post by Max
[...]
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer
Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo
Well, well, there's your first falsehood in this article.
The Vatican never "locked up" Galileo. Willie Horton
(thanks, Gov. Dukakis!) had less freedom to come and go
than Galileo did.
Post by Max
for challenging the view that the Earth was the center
of the universe,
There's your second falsehood in this article. I suggest the
A.P. reporter go take a look at the actual indictment against
Galileo instead of repeating the usual stuff 'everybody knows'
that just ain't so.
Sheesh! Where are the legions of editors and fact checkers
that are supposed to be what separates the Establishment
Media from, say, mere bloggers?
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using his theories for
political reasons and then not being able to back them up with
sufficient proof.

This makes the situation eerily similar to todays Global Warming, er,
"Climate Change" orthodoxy where professors and students can risk their
careers for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda. Pretty amazing how history repeats itself, isn't it society?

It's getting cold outside. Must be due to global warming, er, climate
change! Imhotep... Imhotep...
Post by Society
Post by Max
the Vatican has called in experts to study the possibility
of extraterrestrial alien life and its implication
for the Catholic Church.
Those Catholic Christians are amazing; they invent the
scientific method, the university system, one of their deacons
is famous for developing a heliocentric theory of the solar
system, a priest devises the genetic theory of inherited traits
and demonstrates the existence of genes, another priest
develops the cosmological theory that atheists later mock
by dubbing it "the Big Bang theory."
Post by Max
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists
elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve
serious consideration," said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes,
an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.
The Church founded by Jesus has long been interested in
the study of astronomical phenomena; some of the great
gothic cathedrals of the Church that were built during the
so-called Dark Ages included observatories.
Post by Max
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically
through the centuries
...but not on essential matters of faith and morals...
Post by Max
since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned
at the stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among
other ideas, that other worlds could be inhabited.
While Giordano Bruno had such speculations, that wasn't
why he was condemned as a heretic. There's your third
falsehood (no wonder stuff in newspapers are called
"stories" :-) Three strikes and the A.P. is out!
Alan Ford
2009-11-18 00:18:29 UTC
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Post by PolishKnight
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using his theories for
political reasons and then not being able to back them up with
sufficient proof.
Of course, of course, because if the Catholic church was about anything,
it was always about "proof".
Post by PolishKnight
This makes the situation eerily similar to todays Global Warming, er,
"Climate Change" orthodoxy where professors and students can risk their
careers for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda. Pretty amazing how history repeats itself, isn't it society?
Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely the same. Religious lunatics burning an
astronomer at the stake is exactly the same as this... whatever the fuck
this is you describe... "professors and students risking careers for
daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist agenda". Jesus, my brain
hurts just from retyping this bullshit.

Damn those socialists and their Global Warming agenda.

Of course, you will provide some examples of this "risk" from sources
that are non-batshit-crazy?
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
PolishKnight
2009-11-20 00:45:21 UTC
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Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using his theories for
political reasons and then not being able to back them up with
sufficient proof.
Of course, of course, because if the Catholic church was about anything,
it was always about "proof".
Actually, the very term "The Devil's Advocate" is an appointed skeptic
in the Catholic church to question and test the validity of a candidate
for sainthood. (The Nobel committee could certainly use one :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate

Naturally, the church also tends to emphasis a number of beliefs based
upon faith but the Catholic church at least is upfront about the
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
This makes the situation eerily similar to todays Global Warming, er,
"Climate Change" orthodoxy where professors and students can risk their
careers for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda. Pretty amazing how history repeats itself, isn't it society?
Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely the same. Religious lunatics burning an
astronomer at the stake is exactly the same as this...
I wasn't aware of any astronomers burned at the stake.
Post by Alan Ford
whatever the fuck
this is you describe... "professors and students risking careers for
daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist agenda".
If you're going to quote me, at least use cut and paste to avoid the
mistake you just made: I said "religious agenda" and for a specific
reason: The left is a religion with it's own dogma and worship rituals.

Apparently, that didn't make you too comfortable.
Post by Alan Ford
Jesus, my brain
hurts just from retyping this bullshit.
Naw. One of the most pleasurable portions of any religious dogma is
castigating the heretics and unbelievers and sharing with others how
this makes you superior to them. Heck, it's pretty much the point for
most people.

It feels good to believe you're smarter and better and more rational
than religious wackos, doesn't it?

Back to Catholic academia: Catholic schools are among the best in the
world, trained clerics and sponsored the arts for centuries after the
Roman empire fell due to the black plague and corruption including an
extensive welfare state.
Post by Alan Ford
Damn those socialists and their Global Warming agenda.
They can believe whatever pleases them provided they don't make me
subsidize their religion. Fair enough?
Post by Alan Ford
Of course, you will provide some examples of this "risk" from sources
that are non-batshit-crazy?
Ah yes, a perfect example of religious domga: Only true believers are to
be taken seriously and they... agree with the dogma as truth! Praise
Science!

regards,
PolishKnight
Alan Ford
2009-11-20 09:22:51 UTC
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Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using his theories for
political reasons and then not being able to back them up with
sufficient proof.
Of course, of course, because if the Catholic church was about anything,
it was always about "proof".
Actually, the very term "The Devil's Advocate" is an appointed skeptic
in the Catholic church to question and test the validity of a candidate
for sainthood. (The Nobel committee could certainly use one :-)
LOLZ!!!!! You actually believe not only that there are such things as
miracles, but that someone actually investigates them with skepticism
*and* that they find sufficient evidence for their validation.

You funny.
Post by PolishKnight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate
Naturally, the church also tends to emphasis a number of beliefs based
upon faith but the Catholic church at least is upfront about the
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
This makes the situation eerily similar to todays Global Warming, er,
"Climate Change" orthodoxy where professors and students can risk their
careers for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda. Pretty amazing how history repeats itself, isn't it society?
Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely the same. Religious lunatics burning an
astronomer at the stake is exactly the same as this...
I wasn't aware of any astronomers burned at the stake.
No? Well, maybe you should go back to school, then. Giordano Bruno was.
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
whatever the fuck
this is you describe... "professors and students risking careers for
daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist agenda".
If you're going to quote me, at least use cut and paste to avoid the
mistake you just made: I said "religious agenda" and for a specific
reason: The left is a religion with it's own dogma and worship rituals.
Ah, a Limbaugh/Hannity idiot, I see. "The left is a religion". What a twat.
Post by PolishKnight
Apparently, that didn't make you too comfortable.
Stupidity generally doesn't, no.
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Jesus, my brain
hurts just from retyping this bullshit.
Naw. One of the most pleasurable portions of any religious dogma is
castigating the heretics and unbelievers and sharing with others how
this makes you superior to them. Heck, it's pretty much the point for
most people.
It feels good to believe you're smarter and better and more rational
than religious wackos, doesn't it?
There is no question whatsoever that I am more rational than religious
wackos. That is a very easily defended proposition and involves
examining what it is religious wackos believe and on what basis.
As for being smarter, that depends and is not necessarily related to
rationality, although it usually correlates. After all, there is a
reason why education, living standards, human rights and so on, are
usually inversely proportional to the given group's religiosity.
Post by PolishKnight
Back to Catholic academia: Catholic schools are among the best in the
world,
Maybe. Maybe not. How is this relevant to the topic?
Post by PolishKnight
trained clerics and sponsored the arts for centuries after the
Roman empire fell due to the black plague and corruption including an
extensive welfare state.
Yes, especially in the Dark Ages, right? And, btw, your bullshit about
"Roman welfare state" duly noted. Either you're a complete fucking moron
who knows practically nothing about history or you simply see communist
agenda everywhere you look, ancient history included.
And finally, the reason that the church sponsored arts is not due to any
benevolent and noble cause - it was simply loaded with stolen cash, gold
and other surprisingly earthly stuff that they stole, ripped off,
plundered and obtained in every which way but hard labor.
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Damn those socialists and their Global Warming agenda.
They can believe whatever pleases them provided they don't make me
subsidize their religion. Fair enough?
Yes, and also the damned reality and its liberal bias.
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Of course, you will provide some examples of this "risk" from sources
that are non-batshit-crazy?
Ah yes, a perfect example of religious domga: Only true believers are to
be taken seriously and they... agree with the dogma as truth! Praise
Science!
Yeah, pfffft!!! Science! What has science ever given us? Please!
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
PolishKnight
2009-11-20 23:41:31 UTC
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Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using his theories for
political reasons and then not being able to back them up with
sufficient proof.
Of course, of course, because if the Catholic church was about anything,
it was always about "proof".
Actually, the very term "The Devil's Advocate" is an appointed skeptic
in the Catholic church to question and test the validity of a candidate
for sainthood. (The Nobel committee could certainly use one :-)
LOLZ!!!!! You actually believe not only that there are such things as
miracles, but that someone actually investigates them with skepticism
*and* that they find sufficient evidence for their validation.
You [sic] funny.
It is funny that you said that. 6 months ago my vet said that my 16
year old cat had at most 1 month to live based upon a cancerous tumor
she found in his lungs (and showed me the X-ray). She didn't have
anything she could try other than expensive chemotherapy treatments or
an operation and, even then, the chances were slim

So I went on the internet and downloaded some homeopathic medicine.

He has gained 2 pounds, the tumor has receded, and he holds down his
food again. I tell this to friends and they use the word "miracle" to
describe it.

Now do I think this is an "actual" miracle as we use the term? No. I
just think maybe this non-FDA medicine is the, pardon the pun, cat's
pajamas.

That said, there are "miraculous" cures and events that science cannot
explain. Naturally, it's a matter of faith to attribute those miracles
to a supernatural event.
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate
Naturally, the church also tends to emphasis a number of beliefs based
upon faith but the Catholic church at least is upfront about the
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
This makes the situation eerily similar to todays Global Warming, er,
"Climate Change" orthodoxy where professors and students can risk their
careers for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda. Pretty amazing how history repeats itself, isn't it society?
Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely the same. Religious lunatics burning an
astronomer at the stake is exactly the same as this...
I wasn't aware of any astronomers burned at the stake.
No? Well, maybe you should go back to school, then. Giordano Bruno was.
Perhaps you should go to school MORE RECENTLY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
"After his death he gained considerable fame; in the 19th and early 20th
centuries, commentators focusing on his astronomical beliefs regarded
him as a martyr for free thought and modern scientific ideas. However,
later assessments have challenged the description of his beliefs as
scientific, and suggest that his ideas about the universe played a
substantially smaller role in his trial than his pantheist beliefs about
God.[1][2]"

"More recent assessments, beginning with the pioneering work of Frances
Yates, suggest that Bruno was deeply influenced by magical views of the
universe inherited from Arab astrological magic, Neoplatonism and
Renaissance Hermeticism.[3]"
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
whatever the fuck
this is you describe... "professors and students risking careers for
daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist agenda".
If you're going to quote me, at least use cut and paste to avoid the
mistake you just made: I said "religious agenda" and for a specific
reason: The left is a religion with it's own dogma and worship rituals.
Ah, a Limbaugh/Hannity idiot, I see. "The left is a religion". What a twat.
Post by PolishKnight
Apparently, that didn't make you too comfortable.
Stupidity generally doesn't, no.
I generally don't find truly stupid people uncomfortable since I don't
view their opinions as a credible threat. I happen to think you're
rather bright, but insecure.

Let's go back to Giordano Bruno. You used him as an example as a
Scientific martyr (never mind Science and Leftism being religions, of
course :-) yet he was in no way a scientist and more like an
astrologist. One thing is for certain though: He was smarter than you
or I.
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Jesus, my brain
hurts just from retyping this bullshit.
Naw. One of the most pleasurable portions of any religious dogma is
castigating the heretics and unbelievers and sharing with others how
this makes you superior to them. Heck, it's pretty much the point for
most people.
It feels good to believe you're smarter and better and more rational
than religious wackos, doesn't it?
There is no question whatsoever that I am more rational than religious
wackos.
You didn't answer my question! I'm sorry I interrupted your preaching
about how superior your beliefs make you to religious "wackos" who call
non-believers names...
Post by Alan Ford
That is a very easily defended proposition and involves
examining what it is religious wackos believe and on what basis.
I'll agree that you're very defensive. :-)
Post by Alan Ford
As for being smarter, that depends and is not necessarily related to
rationality, although it usually correlates.
Er, no.

Most people, including great scientists and philosophers, have been
religious even if their religious beliefs are non-mainstream such as the
astrologer above. There are, to name a few, Louis Pasteur, Albert
Einstein, and Socrates. Crack open a textbook sometime. Science
existed before the days of populist marxism.
Post by Alan Ford
After all, there is a
reason why education, living standards, human rights and so on, are
usually inversely proportional to the given group's religiosity.
Like the former USSR...

Indeed, I'm glad you brought that up! Yep, at least 20 million human
beings killed in the name of a more rational, egalitarian, atheistic
society. And also Nazi Germany which was founded upon the idea of
applying the scientific ideas of eugenics to human societies...
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Back to Catholic academia: Catholic schools are among the best in the
world,
Maybe. Maybe not. How is this relevant to the topic?
It is relevant to your claim above: "education, living standards, human
rights and so on, are usually inversely proportional to the given
group's religiosity."

Using that logic, Catholic schools would be inferior to, say, secular
public schools in inner cities...
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
trained clerics and sponsored the arts for centuries after the
Roman empire fell due to the black plague and corruption including an
extensive welfare state.
Yes, especially in the Dark Ages, right?
Actually, yes.

If it wasn't for the monks, you wouldn't be aware of most of these
classical Grecian philosophers including the basis of scientific thought.
Post by Alan Ford
And, btw, your bullshit about
"Roman welfare state" duly noted.
Look up "Bread and Circuses".
Post by Alan Ford
Either you're a complete fucking moron
who knows practically nothing about history or you simply see communist
agenda everywhere you look, ancient history included.
Are you trying to make a rational point?
Post by Alan Ford
And finally, the reason that the church sponsored arts is not due to any
benevolent and noble cause - it was simply loaded with stolen cash, gold
and other surprisingly earthly stuff that they stole, ripped off,
plundered and obtained in every which way but hard labor.
For the most part, the church got it's assets via donations albeit some
of those donors may have stole, ripped off, and plundered, etc.
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Damn those socialists and their Global Warming agenda.
They can believe whatever pleases them provided they don't make me
subsidize their religion. Fair enough?
Yes, and also the damned reality and its liberal bias.
The Earth has been cooling for years. That's why the name was changed
by the faithful to "climate change."

FYI, Polar Bear populations are INCREASING.
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Of course, you will provide some examples of this "risk" from sources
that are non-batshit-crazy?
Ah yes, a perfect example of religious domga: Only true believers are to
be taken seriously and they... agree with the dogma as truth! Praise
Science!
Yeah, pfffft!!! Science! What has science ever given us? Please!
Well, it gave us... Global Warming! :-) After all, it's the other
fruits of science that made the problem: automobiles, planes, coal fired
electrical plants... if people sat in their caves and just used a cord
of firewood everyday, we wouldn't have this problem, would we?

Oh, wait, the scientific solution is windmills and unplugging our cell
phone chargers! That'll work! HAHAHAHAHA!

regards,
PolishKnight
Masculist
2009-11-22 17:39:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using his theories for
political reasons and then not being able to back them up with
sufficient proof.  
Of course, of course, because if the Catholic church was about anything,
it was always about "proof".
Actually, the very term "The Devil's Advocate" is an appointed skeptic
in the Catholic church to question and test the validity of a candidate
for sainthood.  (The Nobel committee could certainly use one :-)
LOLZ!!!!! You actually believe not only that there are such things as
miracles, but that someone actually investigates them with skepticism
*and* that they find sufficient evidence for their validation.
You [sic] funny.
It is funny that you said that.  6 months ago my vet said that my 16
year old cat had at most 1 month to live based upon a cancerous tumor
she found in his lungs (and showed me the X-ray).  She didn't have
anything she could try other than expensive chemotherapy treatments or
an operation and, even then, the chances were slim
So I went on the internet and downloaded some homeopathic medicine.
He has gained 2 pounds, the tumor has receded, and he holds down his
food again.  I tell this to friends and they use the word "miracle" to
describe it.
Now do I think this is an "actual" miracle as we use the term?  No.  I
just think maybe this non-FDA medicine is the, pardon the pun, cat's
pajamas.  
That said, there are "miraculous" cures and events that science cannot
explain.  Naturally, it's a matter of faith to attribute those miracles
to a supernatural event.
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate
Naturally, the church also tends to emphasis a number of beliefs based
upon faith but the Catholic church at least is upfront about the
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
This makes the situation eerily similar to todays Global Warming, er,
"Climate Change" orthodoxy where professors and students can risk their
careers for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda.  Pretty amazing how history repeats itself, isn't it society?
Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely the same. Religious lunatics burning an
astronomer at the stake is exactly the same as this...
I wasn't aware of any astronomers burned at the stake.  
No? Well, maybe you should go back to school, then. Giordano Bruno was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
"After his death he gained considerable fame; in the 19th and early 20th
centuries, commentators focusing on his astronomical beliefs regarded
him as a martyr for free thought and modern scientific ideas. However,
later assessments have challenged the description of his beliefs as
scientific, and suggest that his ideas about the universe played a
substantially smaller role in his trial than his pantheist beliefs about
God.[1][2]"
"More recent assessments, beginning with the pioneering work of Frances
Yates, suggest that Bruno was deeply influenced by magical views of the
universe inherited from Arab astrological magic, Neoplatonism and
Renaissance Hermeticism.[3]"
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
whatever the fuck
this is you describe... "professors and students risking careers for
daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist agenda".
If you're going to quote me, at least use cut and paste to avoid the
mistake you just made: I said "religious agenda" and for a specific
reason: The left is a religion with it's own dogma and worship rituals.  
Ah, a Limbaugh/Hannity idiot, I see. "The left is a religion". What a twat.
Post by PolishKnight
Apparently, that didn't make you too comfortable.
Stupidity generally doesn't, no.
I generally don't find truly stupid people uncomfortable since I don't
view their opinions as a credible threat.  I happen to think you're
rather bright, but insecure.
Let's go back to Giordano Bruno.  You used him as an example as a
Scientific martyr (never mind Science and Leftism being religions, of
course :-) yet he was in no way a scientist and more like an
astrologist.  One thing is for certain though: He was smarter than you
or I.  
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Jesus, my brain
hurts just from retyping this bullshit.
Naw.  One of the most pleasurable portions of any religious dogma is
castigating the heretics and unbelievers and sharing with others how
this makes you superior to them.  Heck, it's pretty much the point for
most people.  
It feels good to believe you're smarter and better and more rational
than religious wackos, doesn't it?
There is no question whatsoever that I am more rational than religious
wackos.
You didn't answer my question!  I'm sorry I interrupted your preaching
about how superior your beliefs make you to religious "wackos" who call
non-believers names...
Post by Alan Ford
 That is a very easily defended proposition and involves
examining what it is religious wackos believe and on what basis.
I'll agree that you're very defensive. :-)
Post by Alan Ford
As for being smarter, that depends and is not necessarily related to
rationality, although it usually correlates.
Er, no.
Most people, including great scientists and philosophers, have been
religious even if their religious beliefs are non-mainstream such as the
astrologer above.  There are, to name a few, Louis Pasteur, Albert
Einstein, and Socrates.  Crack open a textbook sometime.  Science
existed before the days of populist marxism.
Post by Alan Ford
After all, there is a
reason why education, living standards, human rights and so on, are
usually inversely proportional to the given group's religiosity.
Like the former USSR...  
Indeed, I'm glad you brought that up!  Yep, at least 20 million human
beings killed in the name of a more rational, egalitarian, atheistic
society.  And also Nazi Germany which was founded upon the idea of
applying the scientific ideas of eugenics to human societies...
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Back to Catholic academia: Catholic schools are among the best in the
world,
Maybe. Maybe not. How is this relevant to the topic?
It is relevant to your claim above: "education, living standards, human
rights and so on, are usually inversely proportional to the given
group's religiosity."
Using that logic, Catholic schools would be inferior to, say, secular
public schools in inner cities...
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
trained clerics and sponsored the arts for centuries after the
Roman empire fell due to the black plague and corruption including an
extensive welfare state.  
Yes, especially in the Dark Ages, right?
Actually, yes.
If it wasn't for the monks, you wouldn't be aware of most of these
classical Grecian philosophers including the basis of scientific thought.
Post by Alan Ford
And, btw, your bullshit about
"Roman welfare state" duly noted.
Look up "Bread and Circuses".
Post by Alan Ford
Either you're a complete fucking moron
who knows practically nothing about history or you simply see communist
agenda everywhere you look, ancient history included.
Are you trying to make a rational point?
Post by Alan Ford
And finally, the reason that the church sponsored arts is not due to any
benevolent and noble cause - it was simply loaded with stolen cash, gold
and other surprisingly earthly stuff that they stole, ripped off,
plundered and obtained in every which way but hard labor.
For the most part, the church got it's assets via donations albeit some
of those donors may have stole, ripped off, and plundered, etc.
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Damn those socialists and their Global Warming agenda.
They can believe whatever pleases them provided they don't make me
subsidize their religion.  Fair enough?
Yes, and also the damned reality and its liberal bias.
The Earth has been cooling for years.  That's why the name was changed
by the faithful to "climate change."  
FYI, Polar Bear populations are INCREASING.  
Post by Alan Ford
Post by PolishKnight
Post by Alan Ford
Of course, you will provide some examples of this "risk" from sources
that are non-batshit-crazy?
Ah yes, a perfect example of religious domga: Only true believers are to
be taken seriously and they... agree with the dogma as truth!  Praise
Science!
Yeah, pfffft!!! Science! What has science ever given us? Please!
Well, it gave us... Global Warming! :-)  After all, it's the other
fruits of science that made the problem: automobiles, planes, coal fired
electrical plants... if people sat in their caves and just used a cord
of firewood everyday, we wouldn't have this problem, would we?  
Oh, wait, the scientific solution is windmills and unplugging our cell
phone chargers!  That'll work!  HAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks for setting the Leftist religious wacko Alan straight. Left
fundies like him make me nostalgic for right wing fundies. They were
a much better breed.

Tom
regards,
PolishKnight
Society
2009-11-18 08:42:22 UTC
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Post by PolishKnight
Post by Society
Post by Max
[...]
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer
Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo
Well, well, there's your first falsehood in this article.
The Vatican never "locked up" Galileo. Willie Horton
(thanks, Gov. Dukakis!) had less freedom to come and go
than Galileo did.
Post by Max
for challenging the view that the Earth was the center
of the universe,
There's your second falsehood in this article. I suggest the
A.P. reporter go take a look at the actual indictment against
Galileo instead of repeating the usual stuff 'everybody knows'
that just ain't so.
Sheesh! Where are the legions of editors and fact checkers[?]
I think Galileo was put under house arrest for using
his theories for political reasons and then not being
able to back them up with sufficient proof.
Well, that's in the ballpark.

Galileo had been instructed not to teach unproven theories
as fact and he agreed to comply in 1616. Meanwhile, in
at least one other Catholic university in Italy, Jesuits were
researching and teaching the Copernican system as the
speculative, cutting-edge idea which, at the time, it was.
Galileo increasingly felt that the Copernican theory
was correct and began teaching it as fact. In 1632 he
flaunted his noncompliance with his agreement by publishing
the _Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems._

Although that book is considered a landmark in the history
of science, it failed to prove the Copernican theory. In places,
the arguments in _Two World Systems_ were just plain wrong.
That should be no surprise because Copernican heliocentrism
was fundamentally flawed, it assumed that planetary motion
was circular.

After publication of _Two World Systems,_ Galileo's
disobedience to his agreement could no longer be
conveniently ignored and for that he was finally charged,
tried, and convicted.

Yes, there were also some personality clashes involved,
Galileo wasn't a tactful person and some historians say
he wasn't very politically astute. The Protestant schism
was well underway in Northern Europe and many in high
positions of state and in the Church believed that the authority
of the Church and respect for the Pope must be firmly upheld
else the disunity in Christendom might worsen. You could
say Galileo chose a poor time to be an in-your-face smart *ss.

As for what is characterized as "house arrest" in the
common tales, effectively it amounted to something like
"don't leave the country." The modern equivalent would
be releasing someone on probation without any reporting
requirement - sort'a like what happened with the
astronautette-in-a-diaper who assaulted her love-rival tho'
unlike Ms. Astro-diaper, Galileo wasn't jailed while
awaiting trial.
Post by PolishKnight
This makes the situation eerily similar to today's
Global Warming, er, "Climate Change" orthodoxy
where professors and students can risk their careers
for daring to disagree with the socialist/leftist religious
agenda. Pretty amazing how history repeats itself,
isn't it society?
Similar, I guess, but the other way 'round. The goracles
and anti-priests of the state AGW religion demand that
unproven theories be taught as fact else one is penalized
for disobedience.
--
Put no faith in salvation through the political order.

St. Augustine
retardsman
2009-11-18 19:45:54 UTC
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--
   Put no faith in salvation through the political order.
   St. Augustine- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
that augustine was pretty sharp

all ideopolitical orders, no matter how pretty they look or rational
they sound, come from one source, and it aint god

the Enlightenment, tho necessary, was likewise demonic, as we note in
its fruits today
Masculist
2009-11-18 18:35:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Society
[...]
  Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
  By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer
  Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
  Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo
Well, well, there's your first falsehood in this article.
The Vatican never "locked up" Galileo.  Willie Horton
(thanks, Gov. Dukakis!) had less freedom to come and go
than Galileo did.
  for challenging the view that the Earth was the center
  of the universe,
There's your second falsehood in this article.  I suggest the
A.P. reporter go take a look at the actual indictment against
Galileo instead of repeating the usual stuff 'everybody knows'
that just ain't so.
Sheesh!  Where are the legions of editors and fact checkers
that are supposed to be what separates the Establishment
Media from, say, mere bloggers?
  the Vatican has called in experts to study the possibility
  of extraterrestrial alien life and its implication
  for the Catholic Church.
Those Catholic Christians are amazing; they invent the
scientific method, the university system, one of their deacons
is famous for developing a heliocentric theory of the solar
system, a priest devises the genetic theory of inherited traits
and demonstrates the existence of genes, another priest
develops the cosmological theory that atheists later mock
by dubbing it "the Big Bang theory."
  "The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists
  elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve
  serious consideration," said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes,
  an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.
The Church founded by Jesus has long been interested in
the study of astronomical phenomena; some of the great
gothic cathedrals of the Church that were built during the
so-called Dark Ages included observatories.
  The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically
  through the centuries
...but not on essential matters of faith and morals...
  since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned
  at the stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among
  other ideas, that other worlds could be inhabited.
While Giordano Bruno had such speculations, that wasn't
why he was condemned as a heretic.   There's your third
falsehood (no wonder stuff in newspapers are called
"stories" :-)  Three strikes and the A.P. is out!
--
   POP QUIZ: How many craters on the Moon are named
   after Catholic Christian clergy?  (For extra credit, identify
   how many of those craters are named after Jesuit priests.)
Thanks Society for setting the record straight. I'm so sick of mealy
mouthed Leftist lies about Christians and the Church.

Tom
HardySpicer
2009-11-15 01:41:32 UTC
Permalink
The world stage  is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!
They are making a big mistake. Humans are not yet ready for such a
revelation.


Hardy
knowbuddee
2009-11-20 20:53:20 UTC
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Watch for more sitings & reports like this in the coming weeks and
months:



Examiner report/article: UFO-hovering-over-Oklahoma-skies-baffles-
astronomy-club


On the evening of 10-17-09 myself and four other club members were at
our astronomy clubs’ observatory (35.8308 96.14518) for a clear night
of observing. With many years of experience in observing under our
belts we were needless to say quite qualified to identify most
anything that we would see. Between approximately 6:40 – 7:00 P.M. one
of the members noticed something off in the west and queried as to
what it may happen to be.


First and foremost it was bright, more or less as bright as Jupiter,
yet setting about ten to twelve degrees above the horizon, due west.
At our first sighting most of us thought that it was nothing more than
an airliner reflecting sunlight from the setting sun but that
determination was tossed aside shortly there after. If it had been
what we first thought it was it would’ve lost it’s size and brightness
fairly quick as it shifted positions in relation to the sun while in
flight.

But, it continued to maintain its position, did not move in any
direction - vertically, horizontally. If by some chance it were a
celestial body it would follow a gradual celestial track that all of
us would have noticed in a few minutes. Again, it didn’t move,
remained in one position, which eliminated the possibility of it being
a celestial body that none of us were unlikely familiar with. That
alone became puzzling since the obvious – Venus, Mercury – are now
tracking in the morning eastern sky, not the evening western sky.

With that we continued to watch it as one of the guys used his 10x50
binoculars to get a better view. What was seen initially brought to
mind that it may perhaps be a high altitude research balloon but the
more we watched it and as it maintained its position that thought was
tossed quickly also. From the beginning it remained in one position,
never moved. Balloons, of any type, will not remain in one specific
position be they weather balloons, high altitude research balloons or
otherwise.

But as we watched it more closely it was very surprising as to the
manner in which it morphed into various shapes and sizes. Its
brightness would vary some but that was easily seen as being caused by
the low-lying clouds on the horizon. As we commonly call it – it was
“sitting in the soup”. When they would move in front of it the objects
brightness would dim some. Otherwise it would maintain its brightness.
That was easily seen via binocular observations.

The longer we watched it the more curious we all became and with that
growing curiosity we quickly set two telescopes onto it. Two different
sized telescopes were used, one, Celestron 11” Schimdt-Cassegrain
telescope and a smaller Orion 4.5” dobsonian telescope. Between the
two we could pull it in for a much closer look in a very inquisitive
effort to determine just what it actually was. Charts and web sites
were checked also to make sure we weren’t simply forgetting perhaps
one event that may explain what we were now seeing. Nothing could be
found.

The Celestron was using a 40mm eyepiece for a much wider field of view
whereas the smaller Orion had a 15mm eyepiece to pull it in much
closer. Through the Orion one could easily see what appeared right off
as a bell shape. The same was viewed in the other also.

But as mentioned before it morphed into what was clearly seen and
could be interpreted as the same basic outline of the Shuttle that
anyone would see as it flies over. Again, the same basic shape as to
what you would see looking up at the bottom of it. That distinctive
shape was easily recognized. At the rear of it you could see what
looked like bluish green waves that would both come and go from the
main rear line of the object. Nowhere else was this color and wave
seen, just at the rear.

The objects color was a combination of the just mentioned bluish green
at the rear to a lighter orange yellow up through the main body and
then into red orange, much more intense, than any of the other colors
at the top or perhaps, from appearance at that time, leading edge.
None of us had ever seen a color distribution of this sort before.
Especially on either the Shuttle or any other normal day-to-day
satellites. From our position/location it appeared to be hovering over
either Bristow, Ok or possibly even Oklahoma City.

There was no attempt by any of us then to determine its specific
distance or altitude from us. The same applies to its actual size.
Visually, it appeared very similar to the size of Jupiter. Other than
that comparison we honestly don’t know either its distance or specific
altitude. It remained in the same position for approximately 40
minutes and never moved. Close to 8 P.M. we started to notice what
appeared to be a ring of lights that was rotating around the bottom
portion. The lights were seen in the same location that the bluish
green colored waves were at. Several of us noticed this while looking
at it through the telescopes.

Needless to say this was surprising to us all. This carried on for one
to two minutes and then suddenly the object started to move. The
movement was slow at the beginning but increased very rapidly. I had
my eye glued to the 40mm eyepiece when this began and once it started
I could not move. Within two seconds it had totally disappeared from
open visual sight but I still had a lock on it in the eyepiece. Fast,
very fast it moved from dead center in the eyepiece field of view
upwards and at the same time was getting smaller and smaller as it
flew away. Two or three seconds later it was totally gone from view in
either of the telescopes.

The speed that it moved was without question way beyond anything that
we have knowledge of or is publicly known to be in our military. At
the rate it flew away would make a SR-71 Blackbird look very old and
slow. Could it have possibly been a new experimental aircraft?
Possibly yes but if so what was something such as that doing in
Oklahoma? Most generally new experimental, top-secret aircraft of that
type are being tested at either Edwards AFB or Area 51, not Oklahoma.
In a nutshell, we will never know.
It was unidentifiable, it was in the air and flew away and it most
certainly was an object of some unknown kind/type. From this alone it
could be justifiably categorized as a UFO.


http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner~y2009m10d19-UFO-hovering-over-Oklahoma-skies-baffles-astronomy-club-members


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See recent pictures of UFOS
http://tinyurl.com/ufo-pictures

The SI 'star' sign video at the youtube video:



The youtube page where Benjamin Creme talks about the 'star' sign:

The world stage  is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked  up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called
in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
and
its implication  for the Catholic Church.
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere
in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,"
said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the
Vatican Observatory.
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited.
...the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.
"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs
bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an
intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for
our
self-image will be profound," he said.
...
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper
L'Osservatore
Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent
ones, does not contradict a faith in God.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes
said in that interview.
"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be
other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not
contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative
freedom."
...
from:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
====================
Most people believe what they are told, that there is no life on
Venus
or the other planets, but the spaceships, the UFOs, have been seen by
thousands of people for years, mainly from Mars and Venus, which are
the nearest planets to us. The governments of the world for over 60
years have denied the existence of UFOs, which indeed in growing
numbers are active in our skies. The governments have hoodwinked the
public for their own reasons, probably mixed. They have sought to
deny
the existence of UFOs, flying saucers, whereas people who have seen
them know that they are always present in our skies. The curious
thing
is that while denying the existence of UFOs they have sought to
denigrate occupants of these non-existent craft as malicious,
threatening the wellbeing of humanity.
What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power, which a
welcoming approach to the Space Brothers would ensure. They know that
if humanity knew that the spacecraft in our skies were not aliens
but were here to aid and alleviate the suffering of humanity on this
planet, and with their obviously far more advanced technology, people
would demand that they are openly welcomed and their superior
teaching
made available to them.
Earth scientists deny the existence of any form of life on Mars and
Venus and the other planets of the system. This is the result of
their
inadequate understanding of the true range of matter. These
scientists
acknowledge three planes solid, liquid and gaseous physical above
which, they have not the technology to measure. Therefore they
believe
more does not exist, yet the Masters and all students of esotericism
know that there are four further states of matter above gas, the
etheric planes of matter. It is on the etheric planes that can be
found life on our sister planets, from Mars, on the lowest etheric
level, up to extraordinarily advanced planets like Vulcan, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, and planets like Mercury, Uranus and Neptune. Venus,
the alter ego of Earth, is in the last of its seven rounds or
incarnations (equivalent to our incarnational experiences), while
Vulcan is completely perfected.
Spacecraft from these planets create the crop circles of which the
largest number are seen in Wiltshire, the southwest of England,
because Maitreya is in London. These crop circles are the calling
cards of the people who man the UFOs, to acknowledge that they are
here, without alarming people or infringing our free will. The craft
are so designed they can make in seconds the most complex design,
covering several hundred yards in diameter they have such an
advanced technology. They also are concerned in making this planet
habitable. They go through our skies mopping up and neutralizing
large
amounts of the nuclear waste and the general toxic muck that we pour
into the atmosphere. They are not allowed by karma to completely
clean
up the planet, but within karmic limits they do so. Otherwise life on
this planet would be very painful indeed: more people would be dying
than are dying, more people would be suffering from Alzheimers and
daily we would be more and more asphyxiated. So we owe the Space
Brothers a tremendous debt. Maitreya when asked will talk about the
Space Brothers. They are our brothers and sisters of our own
planetary
system. We work together, the Hierarchy of all the planets work
together in a kind of interplanetary parliament.
Excerpted from Questions and Answers in the  Nov 2009 issue of Share
International with Benjamin Cremehttp://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-11.htm#q...
------------------------------
'Star' sign -heralding Maitreya the World Teacher's emergence onto
the  world stage -
See new YouTube videos, new photos, filming instructions & the new
'star' (UFO)http://share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm
====================
"...all the Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both  at a
distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of
extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers or UFOs (Unidentified flying
objects) if you want to call them by that name. Every time it
occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered
absolute silence." Maurice Chatlein - NASA scientist, inventor and
designer of the Apollo communications and data processing systems
"We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign,
planting
 articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to makeUFOreports
sound like Poppycock." CIA report January 1953.
"Our study would be conducted exclusively by "NON Believer's." The
trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the
public
it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion…. There is no
secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." Memorandum
from
 Robert Low (Project Administrator CONDON report Oct 1966-Jan 1969)
to
Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall.
Air Material Command's opinion concerning flying discs: "The
phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or
fictitious.
The spread of theUFO'sin global identity creates indisputable
evidence that their strategic operation center and home base could
only be extraterrestrial." Lieutenant General Twining - Commander
USAF
 & Chief Of Staff - Sept 2, 1947.
" The Air Force and its investigative agency, project Blue Book, are
aware of Major Keyhoe's conclusion that Flying Saucers are from
Flying Saucers from Outer Space, Air Corp. Washington (AFS)
" I feel the Air Force has not been giving out all available
information on these Unidentified flying objects. You cannot
disregard
so many unimpeachable sources." John McCormack, Speaker U.S. House of
Representatives - The Sunday Mirror, October 9, 1966.
================
Two Theologians comment...
"UFO'sare real and have Key Religious Significance. Recognizing the
existence and operation of these objects can do much to strengthen
faith and renew Biblical confidence. What is clear through Biblical
material that Gods will was revealed by beings from other worlds,
these beings looked very much like ordinary men - not having wings
which is only religious symbolism." Rev. B Downing - Pastor, B.S.
Physics Princeton Theological Seminary - University Edinburgh,
Scotland.
"From a theological point of view, the existence of these visitors is
not only just possible it is probable and likely. We would be naive
to
believe that God's grace has only be given to the inhabitants of
Earth." Father S.B. Reyna - Priest & Astronomer - Adhara Observatory
Buenos Aires. (also noted photographer of several UFOs over
observatory.)
------
"God's desire to share his goodness would be better satisfied by
having myriad's of galaxies inhabited by intelligent beings." Rev.
Joseph Lynch, Fordham University, Seismologist. Four Hundred
scientists and space engineers applauded Dr. Lynch at the closing
session to symposium "The Search for Extraterrestrial Life". (AP) Los
Angeles - Appleton Post Crescent, May 26, 1966.
" Innumerable suns exist. Innumerable Earths revolve around these -
Living beings inhabit these worlds." Giordano Bruno, 1548 - 1600
Burnt
on the stake for heresy.
=========
Crop Circles
Representatives of the British Government in obedience to the ruling
elite, pays farmers to destroy crop circles because they know that
the
truth will end the global monopolies.  2009 has been a record year
for
the circles.http://www.colinandrews.net/Crop-Circles-2009.html
Thecover-uppeople have most people believing that crop circles are
man-made hoaxes.
If they are huge and geometrically perfect, chances are very good
that
they are real.
==============
The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to
fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence,
and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. They have over
400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses
testifying to their direct, personal, ...
read more »
Max
2009-11-30 16:56:47 UTC
Permalink
People have been working on this project for over a century. Seek the
truth and it will set you free from all feelings of cynicism and
hopelessness.

"The return to the everyday world of Maitreya, the World Teacher for
the New Age, and the Masters of Wisdom – the Elder Brothers of
humanity – is an ongoing process for which humanity has been prepared
since 1875 by the Ageless Wisdom teachings. In various stages, these
teachings have been released in many publications, notably those of
H.P. Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, the Agni Yoga series, and most
recently the books by Benjamin Creme..."

Details: http://www.biblioteca-ga.info
The world stage  is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked  up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called
in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
and
its implication  for the Catholic Church.
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere
in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,"
said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the
Vatican Observatory.
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited.
...the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.
"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs
bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an
intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for
our
self-image will be profound," he said.
...
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper
L'Osservatore
Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent
ones, does not contradict a faith in God.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes
said in that interview.
"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be
other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not
contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative
freedom."
...
from:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
====================
Most people believe what they are told, that there is no life on
Venus
or the other planets, but the spaceships, the UFOs, have been seen by
thousands of people for years, mainly from Mars and Venus, which are
the nearest planets to us. The governments of the world for over 60
years have denied the existence of UFOs, which indeed in growing
numbers are active in our skies. The governments have hoodwinked the
public for their own reasons, probably mixed. They have sought to
deny
the existence of UFOs, flying saucers, whereas people who have seen
them know that they are always present in our skies. The curious
thing
is that while denying the existence of UFOs they have sought to
denigrate occupants of these non-existent craft as malicious,
threatening the wellbeing of humanity.
What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power, which a
welcoming approach to the Space Brothers would ensure. They know that
if humanity knew that the spacecraft in our skies were not aliens
but were here to aid and alleviate the suffering of humanity on this
planet, and with their obviously far more advanced technology, people
would demand that they are openly welcomed and their superior
teaching
made available to them.
Earth scientists deny the existence of any form of life on Mars and
Venus and the other planets of the system. This is the result of
their
inadequate understanding of the true range of matter. These
scientists
acknowledge three planes solid, liquid and gaseous physical above
which, they have not the technology to measure. Therefore they
believe
more does not exist, yet the Masters and all students of esotericism
know that there are four further states of matter above gas, the
etheric planes of matter. It is on the etheric planes that can be
found life on our sister planets, from Mars, on the lowest etheric
level, up to extraordinarily advanced planets like Vulcan, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, and planets like Mercury, Uranus and Neptune. Venus,
the alter ego of Earth, is in the last of its seven rounds or
incarnations (equivalent to our incarnational experiences), while
Vulcan is completely perfected.
Spacecraft from these planets create the crop circles of which the
largest number are seen in Wiltshire, the southwest of England,
because Maitreya is in London. These crop circles are the calling
cards of the people who man the UFOs, to acknowledge that they are
here, without alarming people or infringing our free will. The craft
are so designed they can make in seconds the most complex design,
covering several hundred yards in diameter they have such an
advanced technology. They also are concerned in making this planet
habitable. They go through our skies mopping up and neutralizing
large
amounts of the nuclear waste and the general toxic muck that we pour
into the atmosphere. They are not allowed by karma to completely
clean
up the planet, but within karmic limits they do so. Otherwise life on
this planet would be very painful indeed: more people would be dying
than are dying, more people would be suffering from Alzheimers and
daily we would be more and more asphyxiated. So we owe the Space
Brothers a tremendous debt. Maitreya when asked will talk about the
Space Brothers. They are our brothers and sisters of our own
planetary
system. We work together, the Hierarchy of all the planets work
together in a kind of interplanetary parliament.
Excerpted from Questions and Answers in the  Nov 2009 issue of Share
International with Benjamin Cremehttp://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-11.htm#q...
------------------------------
'Star' sign -heralding Maitreya the World Teacher's emergence onto
the  world stage -
See new YouTube videos, new photos, filming instructions & the new
'star' (UFO)http://share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm
====================
"...all the Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both  at a
distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of
extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers or UFOs (Unidentified flying
objects) if you want to call them by that name. Every time it
occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered
absolute silence." Maurice Chatlein - NASA scientist, inventor and
designer of the Apollo communications and data processing systems
"We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign,
planting
 articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to make UFO reports
sound like Poppycock." CIA report January 1953.
"Our study would be conducted exclusively by "NON Believer's." The
trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the
public
it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion…. There is no
secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." Memorandum
from
 Robert Low (Project Administrator CONDON report Oct 1966-Jan 1969)
to
Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall.
Air Material Command's opinion concerning flying discs: "The
phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or
fictitious.
The spread of the UFO's in global identity creates indisputable
evidence that their strategic operation center and home base could
only be extraterrestrial." Lieutenant General Twining - Commander
USAF
 & Chief Of Staff - Sept 2, 1947.
" The Air Force and its investigative agency, project Blue Book, are
aware of Major Keyhoe's conclusion that Flying Saucers are from
Flying Saucers from Outer Space, Air Corp. Washington (AFS)
" I feel the Air Force has not been giving out all available
information on these Unidentified flying objects. You cannot
disregard
so many unimpeachable sources." John McCormack, Speaker U.S. House of
Representatives - The Sunday Mirror, October 9, 1966.
================
Two Theologians comment...
"UFO's are real and have Key Religious Significance. Recognizing the
existence and operation of these objects can do much to strengthen
faith and renew Biblical confidence. What is clear through Biblical
material that Gods will was revealed by beings from other worlds,
these beings looked very much like ordinary men - not having wings
which is only religious symbolism." Rev. B Downing - Pastor, B.S.
Physics Princeton Theological Seminary - University Edinburgh,
Scotland.
"From a theological point of view, the existence of these visitors is
not only just possible it is probable and likely. We would be naive
to
believe that God's grace has only be given to the inhabitants of
Earth." Father S.B. Reyna - Priest & Astronomer - Adhara Observatory
Buenos Aires. (also noted photographer of several UFOs over
observatory.)
------
"God's desire to share his goodness would be better satisfied by
having myriad's of galaxies inhabited by intelligent beings." Rev.
Joseph Lynch, Fordham University, Seismologist. Four Hundred
scientists and space engineers applauded Dr. Lynch at the closing
session to symposium "The Search for Extraterrestrial Life". (AP) Los
Angeles - Appleton Post Crescent, May 26, 1966.
" Innumerable suns exist. Innumerable Earths revolve around these -
Living beings inhabit these worlds." Giordano Bruno, 1548 - 1600
Burnt
on the stake for heresy.
=========
Crop Circles
Representatives of the British Government in obedience to the ruling
elite, pays farmers to destroy crop circles because they know that
the
truth will end the global monopolies.  2009 has been a record year
for
the circles.http://www.colinandrews.net/Crop-Circles-2009.html
The cover-up people have most people believing that crop circles are
man-made hoaxes.
If they are huge and geometrically perfect, chances are very good
that
they are real.
==============
The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to
fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence,
and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. They have over
400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses
testifying to their direct, personal, ...
read more »
knowbuddee
2009-12-09 16:10:47 UTC
Permalink
With each passing day we get a little bit closer to the most
extraordinary day in the history of our planet. It appears most
likely that this will take place in three or fewer years. It is quite
understandable that most people won't believe it til they see it. In
the coming decades we will build a shining civilization, far lovelier
than most people can imagine
to be possible.

"Maitreya is awaiting the best timing to go public... when the
crumbling economic system is bringing the West to its knees... We
think... we can go on in the old ways... more competition, more
greed... It is not so any longer; it does not work. If two-thirds of
the world’s population are living in poverty then the economic system
does not work. If we think that they will go on without asking that
it
work for them, then we are sorely out of step with reality. Maitreya
will make that clear." Benjamin Creme

When you see Me you will know that My voice is yours, for I speak for
all men and women everywhere. I speak the thoughts which blossom in
hearts and minds of pure Love. I speak of the needs of all, for
Sharing and Justice. I show men that the path to Justice is simple,
the way forward calls all men. I speak of God’s Truth, of the Light
within mankind, of the need for trust, the Love of brother for
brother. Of all of this I speak. Soon men will know... (Maitreya,
from Message No.108)

http://www.share-international.org
People have been working on this project for over a century.  Seek the
truth and it will set you free from all feelings of cynicism and
hopelessness.
"The return to the everyday world of Maitreya, the World Teacher for
the New Age, and the Masters of Wisdom – the Elder Brothers of
humanity – is an ongoing process for which humanity has been prepared
since 1875 by the Ageless Wisdom teachings. In various stages, these
teachings have been released in many publications, notably those of
H.P. Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, the Agni Yoga series, and most
recently the books by Benjamin Creme..."
Details:http://www.biblioteca-ga.info
The world stage  is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked  up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called
in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
and
its implication  for the Catholic Church.
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere
in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,"
said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the
Vatican Observatory.
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited.
...the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.
"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs
bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an
intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for
our
self-image will be profound," he said.
...
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper
L'Osservatore
Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent
ones, does not contradict a faith in God.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes
said in that interview.
"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be
other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not
contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative
freedom."
...
from:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
====================
Most people believe what they are told, that there is no life on
Venus
or the other planets, but the spaceships, the UFOs, have been seen by
thousands of people for years, mainly from Mars and Venus, which are
the nearest planets to us. The governments of the world for over 60
years have denied the existence of UFOs, which indeed in growing
numbers are active in our skies. The governments have hoodwinked the
public for their own reasons, probably mixed. They have sought to
deny
the existence of UFOs, flying saucers, whereas people who have seen
them know that they are always present in our skies. The curious
thing
is that while denying the existence of UFOs they have sought to
denigrate occupants of these non-existent craft as malicious,
threatening the wellbeing of humanity.
What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power, which a
welcoming approach to the Space Brothers would ensure. They know that
if humanity knew that the spacecraft in our skies were not aliens
but were here to aid and alleviate the suffering of humanity on this
planet, and with their obviously far more advanced technology, people
would demand that they are openly welcomed and their superior
teaching
made available to them.
Earth scientists deny the existence of any form of life on Mars and
Venus and the other planets of the system. This is the result of
their
inadequate understanding of the true range of matter. These
scientists
acknowledge three planes solid, liquid and gaseous physical above
which, they have not the technology to measure. Therefore they
believe
more does not exist, yet the Masters and all students of esotericism
know that there are four further states of matter above gas, the
etheric planes of matter. It is on the etheric planes that can be
found life on our sister planets, from Mars, on the lowest etheric
level, up to extraordinarily advanced planets like Vulcan, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, and planets like Mercury, Uranus and Neptune. Venus,
the alter ego of Earth, is in the last of its seven rounds or
incarnations (equivalent to our incarnational experiences), while
Vulcan is completely perfected.
Spacecraft from these planets create the crop circles of which the
largest number are seen in Wiltshire, the southwest of England,
because Maitreya is in London. These crop circles are the calling
cards of the people who man the UFOs, to acknowledge that they are
here, without alarming people or infringing our free will. The craft
are so designed they can make in seconds the most complex design,
covering several hundred yards in diameter they have such an
advanced technology. They also are concerned in making this planet
habitable. They go through our skies mopping up and neutralizing
large
amounts of the nuclear waste and the general toxic muck that we pour
into the atmosphere. They are not allowed by karma to completely
clean
up the planet, but within karmic limits they do so. Otherwise life on
this planet would be very painful indeed: more people would be dying
than are dying, more people would be suffering from Alzheimers and
daily we would be more and more asphyxiated. So we owe the Space
Brothers a tremendous debt. Maitreya when asked will talk about the
Space Brothers. They are our brothers and sisters of our own
planetary
system. We work together, the Hierarchy of all the planets work
together in a kind of interplanetary parliament.
Excerpted from Questions and Answers in the  Nov 2009 issue of Share
International with Benjamin Cremehttp://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-11.htm#q...
------------------------------
'Star' sign -heralding Maitreya the World Teacher's emergence onto
the  world stage -
See new YouTube videos, new photos, filming instructions & the new
'star' (UFO)http://share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm
====================
"...all the Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both  at a
distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of
extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers or UFOs (Unidentified flying
objects) if you want to call them by that name. Every time it
occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered
absolute silence." Maurice Chatlein - NASA scientist, inventor and
designer of the Apollo communications and data processing systems
"We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign,
planting
 articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to make UFO reports
sound like Poppycock." CIA report January 1953.
"Our study would be conducted exclusively by "NON Believer's." The
trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the
public
it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion…. There is no
secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." Memorandum
from
 Robert Low (Project Administrator CONDON report Oct 1966-Jan 1969)
to
Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall.
Air Material Command's opinion concerning flying discs: "The
phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or
fictitious.
The spread of the UFO's in global identity creates indisputable
evidence that their strategic operation center and home base could
only be extraterrestrial." Lieutenant General Twining - Commander
USAF
 & Chief Of Staff - Sept 2, 1947.
" The Air Force and its investigative agency, project Blue Book, are
aware of Major Keyhoe's conclusion that Flying Saucers are from
Flying Saucers from Outer Space, Air Corp. Washington (AFS)
" I feel the Air Force has not been giving out all available
information on these Unidentified flying objects. You cannot
disregard
so many unimpeachable sources." John McCormack, Speaker U.S. House of
Representatives - The Sunday Mirror, October 9, 1966.
================
Two Theologians comment...
"UFO's are real and have Key Religious Significance. Recognizing the
existence and operation of these objects can do much to strengthen
faith and renew Biblical confidence. What is clear through Biblical
material that Gods will was revealed by beings from other worlds,
these beings looked very much like ordinary men - not having wings
which is only religious symbolism." Rev. B Downing - Pastor, B.S.
Physics Princeton Theological Seminary - University Edinburgh,
Scotland.
"From a theological point of view, the existence of these visitors is
not only just possible it is probable and likely. We would be naive
to
believe that God's grace has only be given to the inhabitants of
Earth." Father S.B. Reyna - Priest & Astronomer - Adhara Observatory
Buenos Aires. (also noted photographer of several UFOs over
observatory.)
------
"God's desire to share his goodness would be better satisfied by
having myriad's of galaxies inhabited by intelligent beings." Rev.
Joseph Lynch, Fordham University, Seismologist. Four Hundred
scientists and space engineers applauded Dr. Lynch at the closing
session to
...
read more »
ornamentalmind
2009-12-09 17:51:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by knowbuddee
With each passing day we get a little bit closer to the most
extraordinary day in the history of our planet. It appears most
likely  that this will take place in three or fewer years. It is quite
understandable that most people won't believe it til they see it. In
the coming decades we will build a shining civilization, far lovelier
than most people can imagine
to be possible.
"Maitreya is awaiting the best timing to go public... when the
crumbling economic system is bringing the West to its knees... We
think... we can go on in the old ways...  more competition, more
greed... It is not so any longer; it does not work. If two-thirds of
the world’s population are living in poverty then the economic system
does not work. If we think that they will go on without asking that
it
work for them, then we are sorely out of step with reality. Maitreya
will make that clear."  Benjamin Creme
When you see Me you will know that My voice is yours, for I speak for
all men and women everywhere. I speak the thoughts which blossom in
hearts and minds of pure Love. I speak of the needs of all, for
Sharing and Justice. I show men that the path to Justice is simple,
the way forward calls all men. I speak of God’s Truth, of the Light
within mankind, of the need for trust, the Love of brother for
brother. Of all of this I speak. Soon men will know... (Maitreya,
from Message No.108)
http://www.share-international.org
People have been working on this project for over a century.  Seek the
truth and it will set you free from all feelings of cynicism and
hopelessness.
"The return to the everyday world of Maitreya, the World Teacher for
the New Age, and the Masters of Wisdom – the Elder Brothers of
humanity – is an ongoing process for which humanity has been prepared
since 1875 by the Ageless Wisdom teachings. In various stages, these
teachings have been released in many publications, notably those of
H.P. Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, the Agni Yoga series, and most
recently the books by Benjamin Creme..."
Details:http://www.biblioteca-ga.info
The world stage  is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked  up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called
in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
and
its implication  for the Catholic Church.
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere
in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,"
said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the
Vatican Observatory.
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited.
...the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.
"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs
bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an
intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for
our
self-image will be profound," he said.
...
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper
L'Osservatore
Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent
ones, does not contradict a faith in God.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes
said in that interview.
"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be
other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not
contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative
freedom."
...
from:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
====================
Most people believe what they are told, that there is no life on
Venus
or the other planets, but the spaceships, the UFOs, have been seen by
thousands of people for years, mainly from Mars and Venus, which are
the nearest planets to us. The governments of the world for over 60
years have denied the existence of UFOs, which indeed in growing
numbers are active in our skies. The governments have hoodwinked the
public for their own reasons, probably mixed. They have sought to
deny
the existence of UFOs, flying saucers, whereas people who have seen
them know that they are always present in our skies. The curious
thing
is that while denying the existence of UFOs they have sought to
denigrate occupants of these non-existent craft as malicious,
threatening the wellbeing of humanity.
What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power, which a
welcoming approach to the Space Brothers would ensure. They know that
if humanity knew that the spacecraft in our skies were not aliens
but were here to aid and alleviate the suffering of humanity on this
planet, and with their obviously far more advanced technology, people
would demand that they are openly welcomed and their superior
teaching
made available to them.
Earth scientists deny the existence of any form of life on Mars and
Venus and the other planets of the system. This is the result of
their
inadequate understanding of the true range of matter. These
scientists
acknowledge three planes solid, liquid and gaseous physical above
which, they have not the technology to measure. Therefore they
believe
more does not exist, yet the Masters and all students of esotericism
know that there are four further states of matter above gas, the
etheric planes of matter. It is on the etheric planes that can be
found life on our sister planets, from Mars, on the lowest etheric
level, up to extraordinarily advanced planets like Vulcan, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, and planets like Mercury, Uranus and Neptune. Venus,
the alter ego of Earth, is in the last of its seven rounds or
incarnations (equivalent to our incarnational experiences), while
Vulcan is completely perfected.
Spacecraft from these planets create the crop circles of which the
largest number are seen in Wiltshire, the southwest of England,
because Maitreya is in London. These crop circles are the calling
cards of the people who man the UFOs, to acknowledge that they are
here, without alarming people or infringing our free will. The craft
are so designed they can make in seconds the most complex design,
covering several hundred yards in diameter they have such an
advanced technology. They also are concerned in making this planet
habitable. They go through our skies mopping up and neutralizing
large
amounts of the nuclear waste and the general toxic muck that we pour
into the atmosphere. They are not allowed by karma to completely
clean
up the planet, but within karmic limits they do so. Otherwise life on
this planet would be very painful indeed: more people would be dying
than are dying, more people would be suffering from Alzheimers and
daily we would be more and more asphyxiated. So we owe the Space
Brothers a tremendous debt. Maitreya when asked will talk about the
Space Brothers. They are our brothers and sisters of our own
planetary
system. We work together, the Hierarchy of all the planets work
together in a kind of interplanetary parliament.
Excerpted from Questions and Answers in the  Nov 2009 issue of Share
International with Benjamin Cremehttp://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-11.htm#q...
------------------------------
'Star' sign -heralding Maitreya the World Teacher's emergence onto
the  world stage -
See new YouTube videos, new photos, filming instructions & the new
'star' (UFO)http://share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm
====================
"...all the Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both  at a
distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of
extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers or UFOs (Unidentified flying
objects) if you want to call them by that name. Every time it
occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered
absolute silence." Maurice Chatlein - NASA scientist, inventor and
designer of the Apollo communications and data processing systems
"We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign,
planting
 articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to make UFO reports
sound like Poppycock." CIA report January 1953.
"Our study would be conducted exclusively by "NON Believer's." The
trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the
public
it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion…. There is no
secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." Memorandum
from
 Robert Low (Project Administrator CONDON report Oct 1966-Jan 1969)
to
Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall.
Air Material Command's opinion concerning flying discs: "The
phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or
fictitious.
The spread of the UFO's in global identity creates indisputable
evidence that their strategic operation center and home base could
only be extraterrestrial." Lieutenant General Twining -
...
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As dreamy and idealistic as this thread is, the hope for:

“With each passing day we get a little bit closer to the most
extraordinary day in the history of our planet. It appears most
likely that this will take place in three or fewer years…” – kb

…is most likely demonstrable about as accurately as is Zeno’s paradox
about dividing distances/time intervals in halves…thus never reaching
the goal.

Prophecies of all possibilities have been proffered. 4th way schools
are not immune from such things nor is Buddhism where ‘Maitreya’ first
arose. IF one accepts that of Buddhism, we have a few hundred years to
go.
Robibnikoff
2009-12-09 22:34:33 UTC
Permalink
"knowbuddee" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:082eb30c-9060-4355-bf36-***@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...

With each passing day we get a little bit closer to the most
extraordinary day in the history of our planet. It appears most
likely that this will take place in three or fewer years. It is quite
understandable that most people won't believe it til they see it. In
the coming decades we will build a shining civilization, far lovelier
than most people can imagine
to be possible.

WTF are you babbling about?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
BAAWA Knight
#1557
knowbuddee
2009-12-11 15:30:57 UTC
Permalink
Prepare to learn what the word "awesome" really means.
check out these pictures of the light show in Norway on Dec 9:

http://tinyurl.com/Norwegian-UFO



The following is the text of a Share International press release sent
out today...

The enormous, spiral light with its glowing centre, seen over Norway
on December 9, 2009, has excited and baffled thousands of Norwegians,
including astronomical experts. What does it mean? On December 12,
2008, Share International Foundation announced that a large, bright
star-like object would soon be seen in the sky. It is a sign heralding
the imminent appearance of Maitreya, the World Teacher, on his first
television interview, which will take place in the USA.

The ‘star’ is really one of four enormous spacecraft placed around the
world. Since December 2008 numerous sightings of the ‘star’ have been
reported on YouTube and television news programs. Share International
magazine has received hundreds of photographs showing the ‘star’ in a
variety of stunning colors and shapes.

The huge spiral manifestation over Norway is an extension of the work
of these spacecraft and is irrefutable evidence of their reality. Our
information is that further such manifestations are planned for the
near future.

For more information:

Star sign - latest update 11 December 2009
http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm

New Youtube Video about the 'star'
posted December 04, 2009 (6:21)



Article with pictures & videos of the Spiral light over Norway
http://tinyurl.com/Norwegian-UFO


That's the text from a SI new release that was sent out this morning
-- i'm very happy to see that they are saying "further such
manifestations are planned for the near future".

Interesting to see the rats rush to try to cover this up and write it
off as a "failed missile test"...

Very soon everyone will know... that the space brothers are humans
like us, only thousands of years more evolved than we are. They have
solved many of the same problems that confront us now, thousands of
years ago. They will help us to the extent that we let them. They are
like Gods compared to us. Unconditional love and harmlessness are two
characteristics that both Benjamin Creme and George Adamski have used
to describe them.

The truth is going to set mankind free - free from the horrors created
by corrupt leadership -
free from war, poverty, hunger, environmental degradation,
unemployment, etc...






On Dec 9, 10:10 am...
Post by knowbuddee
With each passing day we get a little bit closer to the most
extraordinary day in the history of our planet. It appears most
likely  that this will take place in three or fewer years. It is quite
understandable that most people won't believe it til they see it. In
the coming decades we will build a shining civilization, far lovelier
than most people can imagine
to be possible.
"Maitreya is awaiting the best timing to go public... when the
crumbling economic system is bringing the West to its knees... We
think... we can go on in the old ways...  more competition, more
greed... It is not so any longer; it does not work. If two-thirds of
the world’s population are living in poverty then the economic system
does not work. If we think that they will go on without asking that
it
work for them, then we are sorely out of step with reality. Maitreya
will make that clear."  Benjamin Creme
When you see Me you will know that My voice is yours, for I speak for
all men and women everywhere. I speak the thoughts which blossom in
hearts and minds of pure Love. I speak of the needs of all, for
Sharing and Justice. I show men that the path to Justice is simple,
the way forward calls all men. I speak of God’s Truth, of the Light
within mankind, of the need for trust, the Love of brother for
brother. Of all of this I speak. Soon men will know... (Maitreya,
from Message No.108)
http://www.share-international.org
People have been working on this project for over a century.  Seek the
truth and it will set you free from all feelings of cynicism and
hopelessness.
"The return to the everyday world of Maitreya, the World Teacher for
the New Age, and the Masters of Wisdom – the Elder Brothers of
humanity – is an ongoing process for which humanity has been prepared
since 1875 by the Ageless Wisdom teachings. In various stages, these
teachings have been released in many publications, notably those of
H.P. Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, the Agni Yoga series, and most
recently the books by Benjamin Creme..."
Details:http://www.biblioteca-ga.info
The world stage  is being set up for something tremendous & totally
unprecedented that is sure to delight everyone!
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 10, 9:41 pm ET
Four hundred years after it locked  up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called
in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life
and
its implication  for the Catholic Church.
"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere
in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,"
said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the
Vatican Observatory.
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited.
...the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.
"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs
bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an
intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for
our
self-image will be profound," he said.
...
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper
L'Osservatore
Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent
ones, does not contradict a faith in God.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes
said in that interview.
"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be
other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not
contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative
freedom."
...
from:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
====================
Most people believe what they are told, that there is no life on
Venus
or the other planets, but the spaceships, the UFOs, have been seen by
thousands of people for years, mainly from Mars and Venus, which are
the nearest planets to us. The governments of the world for over 60
years have denied the existence of UFOs, which indeed in growing
numbers are active in our skies. The governments have hoodwinked the
public for their own reasons, probably mixed. They have sought to
deny
the existence of UFOs, flying saucers, whereas people who have seen
them know that they are always present in our skies. The curious
thing
is that while denying the existence of UFOs they have sought to
denigrate occupants of these non-existent craft as malicious,
threatening the wellbeing of humanity.
What is the motive for this curious non-exposure of a tremendous
event? The governments would say they want to avoid panic but beneath
that is the unacknowledged fear of loss of control and power, which a
welcoming approach to the Space Brothers would ensure. They know that
if humanity knew that the spacecraft in our skies were not aliens
but were here to aid and alleviate the suffering of humanity on this
planet, and with their obviously far more advanced technology, people
would demand that they are openly welcomed and their superior
teaching
made available to them.
Earth scientists deny the existence of any form of life on Mars and
Venus and the other planets of the system. This is the result of
their
inadequate understanding of the true range of matter. These
scientists
acknowledge three planes solid, liquid and gaseous physical above
which, they have not the technology to measure. Therefore they
believe
more does not exist, yet the Masters and all students of esotericism
know that there are four further states of matter above gas, the
etheric planes of matter. It is on the etheric planes that can be
found life on our sister planets, from Mars, on the lowest etheric
level, up to extraordinarily advanced planets like Vulcan, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, and planets like Mercury, Uranus and Neptune. Venus,
the alter ego of Earth, is in the last of its seven rounds or
incarnations (equivalent to our incarnational experiences), while
Vulcan is completely perfected.
Spacecraft from these planets create the crop circles of which the
largest number are seen in Wiltshire, the southwest of England,
because Maitreya is in London. These crop circles are the calling
cards of the people who man the UFOs, to acknowledge that they are
here, without alarming people or infringing our free will. The craft
are so designed they can make in seconds the most complex design,
covering several hundred yards in diameter they have such an
advanced technology. They also are concerned in making this planet
habitable. They go through our skies mopping up and neutralizing
large
amounts of the nuclear waste and the general toxic muck that we pour
into the atmosphere. They are not allowed by karma to completely
clean
up the planet, but within karmic limits they do so. Otherwise life on
this planet would be very painful indeed: more people would be dying
than are dying, more people would be suffering from Alzheimers and
daily we would be more and more asphyxiated. So we owe the Space
Brothers a tremendous debt. Maitreya when asked will talk about the
Space Brothers. They are our brothers and sisters of our own
planetary
system. We work together, the Hierarchy of all the planets work
together in a kind of interplanetary parliament.
Excerpted from Questions and Answers in the  Nov 2009 issue of Share
International with Benjamin Cremehttp://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-11.htm#q...
------------------------------
'Star' sign -heralding Maitreya the World Teacher's emergence onto
the  world stage -
See new YouTube videos, new photos, filming instructions & the new
'star' (UFO)http://share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm
====================
"...all the Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both  at a
distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of
extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers or UFOs (Unidentified flying
objects) if you want to call them by that name. Every time it
occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered
absolute silence." Maurice Chatlein - NASA scientist, inventor and
designer of the Apollo communications and data processing systems
"We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign,
planting
 articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to make UFO reports
sound like Poppycock." CIA report January 1953.
"Our study would be conducted exclusively by "NON Believer's." The
trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that to the
public
it would appear totally objective study. Conclusion…. There is no
secrecy and no evidence that such objects even exist." Memorandum
from
 Robert Low (Project Administrator CONDON report Oct 1966-Jan 1969)
to
Colorado University V.P. Thurston Marshall.
Air Material Command's opinion concerning flying discs: "The
phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or
fictitious.
The spread of the UFO's in global identity creates indisputable
evidence that their strategic operation center and home base could
only be extraterrestrial." Lieutenant General Twining -
...
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