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Eric&Marcia
2009-08-21 22:49:06 UTC
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New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two




By Mark Weber





Germany’s defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe,
did not bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German
people. Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era
that, in many ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.

In a sobering and courageous new book, After the Reich: The Brutal
History of the Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh
details how the ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was
systematically raped and robbed, and how many Germans who survived the
war were either killed in cold blood or deliberately left to die of
disease, cold, malnutrition or starvation.

Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the
Nazis, some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans
was inevitable and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of
Allied atrocities is to say that the Germans “deserved what they got.”
But as MacDonogh establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the
totally prostrate German people went far beyond that.

His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war,
most of whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who
surrendered at Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to
their homeland.) Less well known is the story of the many thousands of
German prisoners who died in American and British captivity, most
infamously in horrid holding camps along the Rhine river, with no
shelter and very little food. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave
labor in Allied countries, often for years.

Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of
the war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold,
hunger, suicide, and mass murder.

Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman in
the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded
by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans
by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched survivors of this
ethnic cleansing were pitched across the border, never to return to
their homes. There were similar scenes of death and dispossession in
Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia as the age-old German communities
of those provinces were likewise brutally expunged.

We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich’s wartime concentration
camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau,
Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the
end of the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom
perished miserably.

The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn
defeated Germany into an impoverished “pastoral” country, stripped of
modern industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal
schemes to starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left
of the bombed-out cities.

It wasn’t an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change
in American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The
shift in postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion,
and prompted a calculated appeal to the German public to support the
new anti-Soviet stance of the US and Britain.

MacDonogh’s important book is an antidote to the simplistic but
enduring propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good
and Evil, and debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied
treatment of defeated Germany.

This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death
and human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides
historical context and perspective. It is probably the best work
available in English on this shameful chapter of twentieth century
history.
LC
2009-08-21 22:58:38 UTC
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Schizophrenic with a side of OCD, self-loathing kook "J" <***@live.com>
had a bipolar moment as "Eric&Marcia" <***@gmail.com> and
trolledin message news:CvFjm.110267$***@newsfe20.iad...

Hi "J"!
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Same old, same old, eh?
Post by Eric&Marcia
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Yes, we know which side you and your altered egoes were on, "J":

"The only shame in the 60th anniversary commemoration at Auschwitz is
the blind eye and denial of the suffering and death the German
civilians and POW's who suffered their fate there"
From: "Auric Hellman" <***@volcanomail.com>
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Make note of the "medical setting" warning, "J".
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<BFG>

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Gale S Burg
2009-08-22 19:45:41 UTC
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LC
2009-08-22 20:38:14 UTC
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Post by Gale S Burg
Beware. The following are the same person,
Hi "J"!
Schizophrenia: it's never pretty.

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Looking forward to another weekend of trolling, hitting the meth, and
molesting your blow-up Pretty Wife?

Same old, same old, eh?
Making any progress on that smack problem?:

"A.A. has no position on any outside issues but, ask yourself (and only
yourself) why would you want to do these other substances if your goal is to
straighten out your life p.s. I'm a former maintainance man so i'm not just
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From: ***@volcanomail.com (J Young), lost loser.
Newsgroups: alt.recovery.aa
Subject: Re: methadone
Date: 12 Nov 2003 19:31:53 -0800
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

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Marcus Aurelius
2009-08-21 23:25:05 UTC
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The idea of human rights and liberties is based upon the concept that
each individual should be treated as such with individual justice,
rights, and liberties. This concept, forgotten by Adolph Hitler,
Stalin, and Mussolini was eventually resurrected in Germany, Italy,
and through out most of Europe, after W.W. II. Only through individual
justice, rights, and liberties can peace, good will, and economic
prosperity be maintained.
The book clearly demonstrates how these altruistic, pragmatic, and
ethical concepts were denigrated after W.W. II such that the German
peoples and other peoples were denied these fundamental rights.
For the aforementioned reasons, I thank the author of this book and
the original poster for revealing how the fruits of the W.W. II
victory were, in part, destroyed by those individuals and groups which
did not understand the aforementioned nor the true purpose of the war
as delineated above.
My father served as an Infantry Officer with the U.S. Army in the
European theatre during W.W. II. He was seriously wounded at Casino,
Italy. One of his brothers was an Army Air Force Pilot during W.W. II.
As I remember it, his other brother was, also, an U.S. Army Infantry
Officer who participated in the D-Day Invasion of Europe on June 6,
1944. They all survived the war.
I served as an infantryman with the U.S. Army in Vietnam.

. Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace
and harmony with all. George Washington, in his Farewell Address (17
September 1796)
Lee
2009-08-21 23:36:28 UTC
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Post by Eric&Marcia
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
So the Berlin airlift?
Bruce Baylark
2009-08-21 23:55:05 UTC
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Post by Lee
Post by Eric&Marcia
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
So the Berlin airlift?
Torture, we sent them old chocolate bars...
Lee
2009-08-22 00:16:40 UTC
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Post by Bruce Baylark
Post by Lee
Post by Eric&Marcia
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
So the Berlin airlift?
Torture, we sent them old chocolate bars...
4000 tons a day of them =0
Barack Hussein Bohica
2009-08-22 12:36:50 UTC
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Post by Lee
Post by Bruce Baylark
Post by Lee
Post by Eric&Marcia
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
So the Berlin airlift?
Torture, we sent them old chocolate bars...
4000 tons a day of them =0
Those despicable bastards! They probably even "forgot" the toothpaste
on purpose! Holocavity!
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