New Paypal Policy Lets Firm Fine Users $2,500 for Spreading 'Misinformation,' ToS Condemned and Called an 'Abomination'

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A new Paypal user policy that permits the company to fine users
$2,500 for spreading “misinformation” has caused quite a stir on
social media platforms. After November 3, anyone who posts or
publishes information or content to “promote misinformation”
will be subject to the penalty.

Editor’s note: This article was updated to reflect that Paypal
has retracted the user policy information after the social media
backlash. The company said: “An AUP notice recently went out in
error that included incorrect information.” The last paragraph
in this article contains the full statement from Paypal
concerning the user policy.

Paypal’s New User Agreement Clause Says It Can Pull $2,500 in
Funds From Users That Spread ‘Misinformation’
The payments services corporation Paypal reportedly plans to
update its user agreement with a new clause added that fights
against so-called “misinformation.” A new update added to the
restricted activity section of Paypal’s user agreement shows
that people who post or publish hate speech or misinformation
“may subject you to damages, including liquidated damages of
$2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation, which may be debited
directly from your Paypal account.” The Daily Wire first
discovered the upcoming terms of service (ToS) agreement.

The prohibited acts include “the sending, posting, or
publication of any messages, content, or materials” that
“promote misinformation,” the payments company warns. Of course,
the news wasn’t taken too kindly by the general public, and a
significant number of social media posts critized Paypal’s
decision to implement the new user agreement. Canadian lawyer
David Anber wrote: “[Hey Paypal] you have 30 days to explicitly
renounce this abomination of a policy or I am permanently
closing my account as will millions of others I am sure. Your
subjective views on ‘misinformation’ or ‘discrimination’ don’t
entitle you to your clients’ money.”


Moreover, the Paypal news caught the attention of Tesla
executive Elon Musk. When an individual wrote that the new ToS
news was “worrying” and “that’s why we need the X platform more
than ever,” Musk responded “100%.” Bitcoin supporters, of
course, took to their Twitter handles and exclaimed that
“bitcoin fixes this.” A great number of people on social media
begged others to “close their Paypal accounts” and “boycott” the
payment services company.


“Paypal’s new policy lets it pull $2,500 from user accounts for
promoting ‘misinformation,’ the Biden administration made easier
for the government to spy on Americans, the FBI is acting like
the KGB,” Pedro Gonzalez wrote on Saturday. “Venmo is owned by
Paypal which is owned by Ebay. Pull away from all 3 ASAP,”
another person tweeted. A number of individuals asked how Paypal
decides what information is “misinformation” or not, and people
many said current times are akin to a communist regime. One
person wrote:

And who decides what “misinformation” is? Why, Paypal, of
course. I am sure they will be fair. Twitter will restrict your
account if they don’t like what you post. Paypal has authorized
[itself] to assess monetary fines for bad behavior. Welcome to
the Soviet Union.


Paypal’s Long History of Holding Back Funds and Censoring
Financial Transactions
Paypal has been accused of censorship for a long time now and
picking and choosing sides based on the firm’s own subjective
valuations and of course, state orders. At the end of July last
year, Paypal revealed it partnered with the nonprofit
organization the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and said it
planned to study financial transactions that funded extremism
and anti-government groups.


In 2010, Paypal and a number of other financial giants blocked
Wikileaks from getting donations, and it pushed Julian Assange
and the non-profit toward bitcoin. In 2019, Paypal shut off ties
to sex workers leveraging the adult web portal Pornhub, and at
the time 100,000 adult performers were left stranded. In 2020,
Paypal merchants who sold products associated with the eight-
legged micro-animals called tardigrades or “moss piglets” had
issues with the payment processor because the name tardigrade
was used by a Balkan arms dealer.


According to Eric July, owner of Rippaverse comics, two months
ago Paypal gave him significant issues when he sold Rippaverse
comics using Paypal and credit cards. At the time, $1.2 million
was put on hold by Paypal and on October 6, July said that after
making an erroneous error of only paying him back half of the
funds, “the other half was released,” and “there was no official
statement from Paypal as to why.” After a huge hassle, July got
back “all of the initially held funds” and he further stressed
that his firm would “never be using Paypal again.”

The Rippaverse comics owner added:

It’s a piece of sh*t company and I recommend that small business
owners especially avoid using them.

Paypal Claims New User Policy Went Out in Error
On October 8, a Paypal spokesperson explained to the National
Review that the user policy notice shared wildly on Twitter and
publications, was a mistake. “An AUP notice recently went out in
error that included incorrect information,” the Paypal
spokesperson insisted. “Paypal is not fining people for
misinformation and this language was never intended to be
inserted in our policy. Our teams are working to correct our
policy pages. We’re sorry for the confusion this has caused.”

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A new policy update from PayPal will permit the firm to sanction
users who advance purported “misinformation” or present risks to
user “wellbeing” with fines of up to $2,500 per offense.

The financial services company, which has repeatedly
deplatformed organizations and individual commentators for their
political views, will expand its “existing list of prohibited
activities” on November 3. Among the changes are prohibitions on
“the sending, posting, or publication of any messages, content,
or materials” that “promote misinformation” or “present a risk
to user safety or wellbeing.” Users are also barred from “the
promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of
intolerance that is discriminatory.”




The company’s current acceptable use policy does not mention
such activities. The Daily Wire reached out to PayPal for
definitions of the added terms, although no response was
received in time for publication.

RELATED: PayPal Reverses Plan To Fine Users $2,500 For
‘Misinformation’ After Daily Wire Report

The policy applies to actions taken using PayPal’s platform.

Deliberations will be made at the “sole discretion” of PayPal
and may subject the user to “damages” — including the removal of
$2,500 “debited directly from your PayPal account” per offense.
The company’s user agreement contains a provision in which
account holders acknowledge that the figure is “presently a
reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal’s actual damages” due to
the administrative cost of tracking violations and damage to the
company’s reputation.

“Under existing law, PayPal has the ability as a private company
to implement this type of viewpoint-discriminatory policy,”
Aaron Terr, a senior program officer at the Foundation for
Individual Rights and Expression, explained to The Daily Wire.
“Whatever motivation PayPal has for establishing these vague new
categories of prohibited expression, they will almost certainly
have a severe chilling effect on users’ speech. As is often the
case with ill-defined and viewpoint-discriminatory speech codes,
those with unpopular or minority viewpoints will likely bear the
brunt of these restrictions.”

The move comes days after PayPal canceled three accounts linked
to Toby Young, a commentator who runs a nonprofit called Free
Speech Union. The organization has defended clients such as
actor and comedian Russell Brand, who recently moved his show
from YouTube to Rumble in reaction to censorship from the former
platform.

Roughly one-third of Free Speech Union members rely upon PayPal
to process their membership dues — although the company gave no
explanation to Young for the suspension beyond mentioning a
breach of the acceptable use policy. PayPal later restored the
accounts after receiving criticism from lawmakers and apologized
to Young for “any inconvenience caused,” according to a report
from The Telegraph.

Platforms such as Amazon, Twitter, and Facebook have formerly
censored conservatives and others who subscribe to heterodox
positions on controversial social issues, including
transgenderism and homosexuality. GoFundMe seized millions in
funds raised for trucker protests in Canada earlier this year,
while Google recently began suppressing search results for
crisis pregnancy centers.

“These kinds of policies are unwise, threaten free speech, and
invite legal risk,” Jeremy Tedesco, vice president of corporate
engagement at Alliance Defending Freedom, told The Daily Wire.
“When companies apply policies to restrict the religious speech
of their customers, they could run afoul of prohibitions on
religious discrimination that exist in many state and federal
laws.”

PayPal has also sanctioned Gays Against Groomers, a group that
opposes the sexualization of children, as well as evolutionary
biologist Colin Wright and journalist Ian Miles Cheong. The
company featured a rainbow-colored banner on its social media
platforms during the month of June affirming that the platform
is “open for all” — and PayPal U.K. still sports the banner.

“Whatever PayPal’s intentions may be, censorship and chilling
free speech is precisely the effect of these kinds of vaguely
worded policies,” Tedesco added. “We’ve seen social media
companies use similar policies to stifle free speech on their
platforms. We can expect a similar outcome with PayPal.”

Editor’s Note: This article has been updated to clarify actions
to which the updated policy appears to apply

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pull-2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-promote-misinformation

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they leech from their parents, trust funds, welfare, or do-
gooder handouts.

Many woksters sign their lives away for $600 a month and an EBT
card, claiming they are mentally incompetent and cannot handle
their own personal affairs.

Individuals who voluntarily affirm that they are mentally
incompetent should also forfeit their right to vote.

Woksters have similar numbers to homosexuals and constitute
perhaps 3% of the US population.

What strategic business principle sees profit in this kind of
market prospect?

What reasonable consumer would support a business with woke
philosophies and policies?

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Saifedean Ammous
@saifedean
·
2h
??“An AUP notice recently went out in error that included
incorrect information. PayPal is not fining people for
misinformation and this language was never intended to be
inserted in our policy. Our teams are working to correct our
policy pages.”-??
theepochtimes.com
PayPal Reverses Course, Says Company Will Not Seize Money for
Promoting 'Misinformation'
PayPal on Oct. 8 said it was not implementing a new policy that
would have enabled the company ...
Saifedean Ammous
@saifedean
·
2h
The audacity of these lying manipulative sociopathic scumbags,
accusing AUP of lying for simply reporting what’s in their
policy, and saying that it was in their policy by mistake. And
the delicious irony of it all being about their right to steal
from you for lying ????
Saifedean Ammous
@saifedean
·
2h
How many executives and lawyers have to sign off on something
before it enters PayPal’s endless policies? Are they all
spreading misinformation? What’s PayPal going to do about it?
$2,500 fines across the entire corporate hierarchy????
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Tim Kennedy
@TimKennedyMMA
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11h
Close you PayPal account. Their new Policy allows them to deduct
$2500 from your account for misinformation.
Michael Saylor??
@saylor
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11h
Satoshi knew better.
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
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12h
Seriously, close your PayPal account immediately if they don't
reverse this today.
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Jack Posobiec ????
@JackPosobiec
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23h
New PayPal Policy Lets Company Pull $2,500 From Users’ Accounts
If They Promote ‘Misinformation’ https://dailywire.com/news/new-
paypal-policy-lets-company-pull-2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-
promote-misinformation
Bitcoin Magazine
@BitcoinMagazine
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12h
FUN FACT: ???? The Dow Jones stock index is now more volatile
than #Bitcoin
Dan Held
@danheld
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5h
PayPal freezing funds for thought crimes is despicable.

#DeletePayPal
Wall Street Silver
@WallStreetSilv
·
9h
New PayPal policy allows them to deduct $2,500 from your account
per “incident”…

“Among the changes are prohibitions on “the sending, posting, or
publication of any messages, content, or materials” that
“promote misinformation”…$2,500 per meme they don’t like.

#boycottpaypal
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Paul Joseph Watson
@PrisonPlanet
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3h
Doesn't matter. Cancel your PayPal accounts anyway. They're an
unsafe platform for anyone with critical thinking skills.
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Chuck Callesto
@ChuckCallesto
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4h
BREAKING REPORT: PayPal does 180 and Reverses Course, Says a
'notice recently went out in error' – COMPANY WILL NOT
CONFISCATE MONEY for Promoting ‘Misinformation’...
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card debt.

Woksters are too lazy to work and have no money except for what
they leech from their parents, trust funds, welfare, or do-
gooder handouts.

Many woksters sign their lives away for $600 a month and an EBT
card, claiming they are mentally incompetent and cannot handle
their own personal affairs.

Individuals who voluntarily affirm that they are mentally
incompetent should also forfeit their right to vote.

Woksters have similar numbers to homosexuals and constitute
perhaps 3% of the US population.

What strategic business principle sees profit in this kind of
market prospect?

What reasonable consumer would support a business with woke
philosophies and policies?

[Embrace Woke Go Broke!]

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A little less than a week before the midterm elections in
November, a new PayPal account update will take effect that has
sent the internet into an uproar — and also drawn condemnation
from PayPal’s former president David Marcus.

What’s happening: PayPal is updating its acceptable use policy,
with the update taking effect on November 3. You might say to
yourself, well, I don’t use my account with the financial
services company for anything improper or illegal, so what do I
have to worry about? Here’s why that might not necessarily be
true:

PayPal says it’s expanding its existing list of prohibited
activities to include the “sending, posting, or publication of
messages, content, or materials that meet certain criteria.” The
full details are explained right here, but PayPal is basically
set to start levying a fine when users are found to have shared
“misinformation” or promoted content that’s deemed to be
“discriminatory” or promoting “hate.”

PayPal account update
The list of prohibited activities is broader than that, but it’s
especially the prohibition on sharing “misinformation” that’s
giving many people pause. Moreover, PayPal gives itself the
right to debit $2,500 from your PayPal account for each
violation of this new, expanded acceptable use policy.

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Marcus, for his part, described this new policy as “insanity.” A
tweet from him on Saturday, October 8, reads in part: “A private
company now gets to decide to take your money if you say
something they disagree with.” Venture capitalist David Sacks
chimed in, in response to Marcus: “Get your money out of PayPal
right now.”

David Marcus
@davidmarcus
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It’s hard for me to openly criticize a company I used to love
and gave so much to. But @PayPal’s new AUP goes against
everything I believe in. A private company now gets to decide to
take your money if you say something they disagree with.
Insanity.
https://paypalobjects.com/marketing/ua/pdf/US/en/acceptableuse-
full-110322.pdf

<https://web.archive.org/web/20220927223312/https://www.paypalob
jects.com/marketing/ua/pdf/US/en/acceptableuse-full-110322.pdf>

As word of this PayPal change began to spread over the weekend,
FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr described what’s happening here as
“Orwellian.”

“PayPal reserves the right to take your money if you post a
message that PayPal decides is “misinformation,'” he tweeted.
“This is why it is so vital that state and federal legislatures
pass laws that prohibit discrimination by tech companies and
protect free speech.”

https://bgr.com/business/new-paypal-rule-the-company-can-take-
2500-from-your-account-for-sharing-misinformation/

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The average millenial wokster has over $100,000.00 in credit
card debt.

Woksters are too lazy to work and have no money except for what
they leech from their parents, trust funds, welfare, or do-
gooder handouts.

Many woksters sign their lives away for $600 a month and an EBT
card, claiming they are mentally incompetent and cannot handle
their own personal affairs.

Individuals who voluntarily affirm that they are mentally
incompetent should also forfeit their right to vote.

Woksters have similar numbers to homosexuals and constitute
perhaps 3% of the US population.

What strategic business principle sees profit in this kind of
market prospect?

What reasonable consumer would support a business with woke
philosophies and policies?

[Embrace Woke Go Broke!]

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> Looks like it's time to cancel paypal.
> I just deleted my cards from the paypal account.
>

PayPal (PYPL) is in trouble.

The financial services platform has been in a major decline
since the beginning of the year.

Its stock price has fallen 52.2% since January. The market value
has decreased by nearly $114 billion during that period to
$104.3 billion.

Profitability concerns surrounding fintech have grown in recent
months as fears of a recession have taken precedence over all
other considerations with investors.

Investors fear that the aggressive increase in interest rates by
the Federal Reserve (Fed) to tame inflation, which is at its
highest in 40 years, will lead to a so-called hard landing for
the economy.

Normally, when interest rates rise, it is a good scenario for
financial institutions. They make money by charging their
borrowers more than they pay to their lenders.

A $2,500 Fine for Misinformation
The problem is that a sharp slowdown in economic activity is
likely to have an impact on many households. This could result
in an increase in unpaid bills and a piling up of payment
defaults on loans granted by financial firms.

PayPal's revenue stems primarily from fees the company charges
when consumers use the platform to pay for online purchases and
various transactions. If the volume of transactions decreases,
so will PayPal's revenues.

In addition, the company is also suffering the brunt of the
sharp decline in the interest of small investors for
cryptocurrencies. PayPal was among the first companies to offer
to buy and sell Bitcoin (BTC) and Ethereum (ETH), the top two
cryptocurrencies by market value.

The crypto craze that peaked in November 2021 has completely
died down. The sector has been in a kind of lethargy for several
months, marked by a sharp drop in trading volumes and the
withdrawal of retail investors, often arriving on the market via
PayPal and CashApp, Block's (SQ) platform.

But as if all these challenges weren't enough, PayPal just
created a big problem all on its own. Documents were just leaked
in which the company says it will impose financial penalties on
customers who violate its policy.

Any misinformation would be penalized with a $2,500 fine.
Basically, if a client is found guilty of four acts of
misinformation, they could be fined $10,000. PayPal would
withdraw this amount directly from the customer's account.

“You are independently responsible for complying with all
applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of
PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use," the
document, called "Acceptable Use of Policy," said.

“Violation of this Acceptable Use Policy constitutes a violation
of the PayPal User Agreement and may subject you to damages,
including liquidated damages of 2,500.00 U.S. dollars per
violation, which may be debited directly from your PayPal
account(s)," the company added.

You can read the full document here.

What is interesting is that it is marked "Last Updated on
November 3, 2022". This suggests that the policy was only due to
come into effect in just under a month.

Public Outcry
The leak of the documents has resulted in a massive outcry
against PayPal on social networks. Some co-founders of the firm,
like Elon Musk and David Marcus, were among the critics of this
policy which goes "against everything" they "believe in."

"It’s hard for me to openly criticize a company I used to love
and gave so much to," Marcus posted on Twitter on Oct.8. "But
@PayPal’s new AUP goes against everything I believe in. A
private company now gets to decide to take your money if you say
something they disagree with. Insanity."

David Marcus
@davidmarcus
·
Follow
It’s hard for me to openly criticize a company I used to love
and gave so much to. But @PayPal’s new AUP goes against
everything I believe in. A private company now gets to decide to
take your money if you say something they disagree with.
Insanity.
https://paypalobjects.com/marketing/ua/pdf/US/en/acceptableuse-
full-110322.pdf
10:10 AM · Oct 8, 2022

"Agreed," Musk quipped.

David Marcus
·
Oct 8, 2022
@davidmarcus
·
Follow
It’s hard for me to openly criticize a company I used to love
and gave so much to. But @PayPal’s new AUP goes against
everything I believe in. A private company now gets to decide to
take your money if you say something they disagree with.
Insanity.
https://paypalobjects.com/marketing/ua/pdf/US/en/acceptableuse-
full-110322.pdf
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·
Follow
Agreed
11:33 AM · Oct 8, 2022

The leak has aroused all the critics of the tech giants, who
perceive them as being too powerful and intolerant.

"PayPal is enacting private social credit," commented one
Twitter user.


Elon Musk
·
Oct 8, 2022
@elonmusk
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Replying to @davidmarcus and @PayPal
Agreed
The Rabbit Hole
@TheRabbitHole84
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PayPal is enacting private social credit
The Rabbit Hole
@TheRabbitHole84
Since #PayPal is trending let's look back at the time they de-
platformed @SwipeWright. There were no policy violations; the
decision was politically driven to censor a viewpoint @PayPal
disagreed with.

This is private-sector social credit.

https://therabbithole84.substack.com/p/social-credit-in-the-west-
the-privatization

"How does Paypal know that you are spreading misinformation?
What are they watching our social media accounts? I don't get
it," said another user.


Elon Musk
·
Oct 8, 2022
@elonmusk
·
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Replying to @davidmarcus and @PayPal
Agreed
Marcella
@marcykey50
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How does Paypal know that you are spreading misinformation? What
are they watching our social media accounts? I don't get it.
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'Error'
Contacted by TheStreet, PayPal said it was an "error."

"An AUP [Acceptable Use Policy] notice recently went out in
error that included incorrect information," a PayPal
spokesperson said in an emailed statement. "PayPal is not fining
people for misinformation and this language was never intended
to be inserted in our policy. Our teams are working to correct
our policy pages."

PayPal thus finds itself in damage control.

"We’re sorry for the confusion this has caused," the
spokesperson added.

The question is whether it is too late for the reputation of the
firm, which risks ending up on the black list of anti-Big Tech.
This list includes Meta Platforms (META) - Facebook,
Instagram; Alphabet (GOOGL) via Youtube and Twitter (TWTR)
among others.

https://www.thestreet.com/technology/paypal-in-self-inflicted-
trouble

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The average millenial wokster has over $100,000.00 in credit
card debt.

Woksters are too lazy to work and have no money except for what
they leech from their parents, trust funds, welfare, or do-
gooder handouts.

Many woksters sign their lives away for $600 a month and an EBT
card, claiming they are mentally incompetent and cannot handle
their own personal affairs.

Individuals who voluntarily affirm that they are mentally
incompetent should also forfeit their right to vote.

Woksters have similar numbers to homosexuals and constitute
perhaps 3% of the US population.

What strategic business principle sees profit in this kind of
market prospect?

What reasonable consumer would support a business with woke
philosophies and policies?

[Embrace Woke Go Broke!]

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>

UPDATE 5:18 p.m.: PayPal says we misunderstood them, and they’re
so sorry we got all riled up for no reason.“An AUP [acceptable
use policy] notice recently went out in error that included
incorrect information. PayPal is not fining people for
misinformation and this language was never intended to be
inserted in our policy,” a PayPal spokesperson told The Epoch
Times in an email. “Our teams are working to correct our policy
pages. We’re sorry for the confusion this has caused,” the
spokesperson added.

This wasn’t a mistake. PayPal issued their revised AUP policy in
September that included the stricture against “sending, posting,
or publication of any messages, content, or materials that, in
PayPal’s sole discretion, (a) are harmful, obscene, harassing,
or objectionable, etc.” If nobody had said anything, they would
have gone ahead with it.

Original story:

The financial services company PayPal announced a controversial
policy to deduct up to $2,500 from the accounts of users who
spread “misinformation.”

Beginning November 3, the company will expand its list of
“prohibited activities,” including “the sending, posting, or
publication of any messages, content, or materials” that
“promote misinformation” or “present a risk to user safety or
wellbeing.” Users will also be penalized for “the promotion of
hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is
discriminatory.”

The kicker is, PayPal decides what’s “hate” speech, what’s
“misinformation,” and what is “intolerant,” etc. Somehow, I
don’t think their notion of “misinformation” would match yours
or mine.

It’s apparently very expensive to oppress points of view the
company disagrees with.

Daily Wire:

Deliberations will be made at the “sole discretion” of PayPal
and may subject the user to “damages” — including the removal of
$2,500 “debited directly from your PayPal account.” The
company’s user agreement contains a provision in which account
holders acknowledge that the figure is “presently a reasonable
minimum estimate of PayPal’s actual damages” due to the
administrative cost of tracking violations and damage to the
company’s reputation.

“Administrative costs” of $2,500 being a “reasonable minimum
estimate” of damages? Haven’t these guys ever heard of the
“internet”? Here’s a PayPal joke for you: How many PayPal
employees does it take to do an internet search for violent
language from one user? Answer: Whatever they say it is.

“Under existing law, PayPal has the ability as a private company
to implement this type of viewpoint-discriminatory policy,”
Aaron Terr, a senior program officer at the Foundation for
Individual Rights and Expression, explained to The Daily Wire.
“Whatever motivation PayPal has for establishing these vague new
categories of prohibited expression, they will almost certainly
have a severe chilling effect on users’ speech. As is often the
case with ill-defined and viewpoint-discriminatory speech codes,
those with unpopular or minority viewpoints will likely bear the
brunt of these restrictions.”

Platforms such as Amazon, Twitter, and Facebook have formerly
censored conservatives and others who subscribe to heterodox
positions on controversial social issues, including
transgenderism and homosexuality. GoFundMe seized millions in
funds raised for trucker protests in Canada earlier this year,
while Google recently began suppressing search results for
crisis pregnancy centers.

“These kinds of policies are unwise, threaten free speech, and
invite legal risk,” Jeremy Tedesco, vice president of corporate
engagement at Alliance Defending Freedom, told The Daily Wire.
“When companies apply policies to restrict the religious speech
of their customers, they could run afoul of prohibitions on
religious discrimination that exist in many state and federal
laws.”

This is why the left is terrified of someone like Elon Musk
taking over Twitter. Musk is not a right-winger by any means,
but neither is he a radical leftist, as most social media
platforms are run by and answerable to. Musk would actually make
an effort to be fair — an intolerable situation for those
intolerant of other viewpoints.

Make no mistake, conservatives will have their beefs with Musk
for suspending and deleting accounts on the right. He is not a
free-speech absolutist by any means. But the left will not
control him. And that’s what they’re up in arms about.

<https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-
moran/2022/10/08/paypal-policy-will-allow-them-to-deduct-up-to-
2500-from-your-account-for-spreading-misinformation-n1635588>

--
The average millenial wokster has over $100,000.00 in credit
card debt.

Woksters are too lazy to work and have no money except for what
they leech from their parents, trust funds, welfare, or do-
gooder handouts.

Many woksters sign their lives away for $600 a month and an EBT
card, claiming they are mentally incompetent and cannot handle
their own personal affairs.

Individuals who voluntarily affirm that they are mentally
incompetent should also forfeit their right to vote.

Woksters have similar numbers to homosexuals and constitute
perhaps 3% of the US population.

What strategic business principle sees profit in this kind of
market prospect?

What reasonable consumer would support a business with woke
philosophies and policies?

[Embrace Woke Go Broke!]

In article <smerm4$dbp$***@news.dns-netz.com>
***@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looks like it's time to cancel paypal.
> I just deleted my cards from the paypal account.
>

PayPal has introduced a new policy, which allows the finance
company to directly debit up to $2,500 for spreading
'misinformation'

SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA: The financial services company, PayPal has
introduced a new policy that will enable it to sanction users
fines up to $2.500 per offense if found guilty of advancing
purported "misinformation." In other words, it also means those
individuals who present a risk to the user "wellbeing." PayPal
is not new to crackdown against organizations and individual
commentators when it comes to their political views. The latest
update will be applicable from November 3, and will expand its
"existing list of prohibited activities."

It will now keep an incessant tab on "the sending, posting, or
publication of any messages, content, or materials that promote
misiformation" or "present a risk to user safety or wellbeing."
The new policy further barred users from "the promotion of hate,
violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that are
discriminatory." Deliberation will be made at the "sole
discretion’" of PayPal and may subject the users to "damages,"
which include controversial removal of $2,500 "debited directly
from user’s PayPal account" per offence, as per The Daily Wire.
The finance company reasoned that the number was decided
considering administrative cost of tracking violations and
damage to the company’s reputation.

Aaron Terr, a senior program officer at the Foundation for
Individual Rights and Expression, reflected on PayPal's new
policy, “Under existing law, PayPal has the ability as a private
company to implement this type of viewpoint-discriminatory
policy.” He added, “Whatever motivation PayPal has for
establishing these vague new categories of prohibited
expression, they will almost certainly have a severe chilling
effect on users’ speech. As is often the case with ill-defined
and viewpoint-discriminatory speech codes, those with unpopular
or minority viewpoints will likely bear the brunt of these
restrictions.”

The decision came in the wake of PayPal’s decision to cancel
three accounts linked to Toby Young, a commentator who manages
the nonprofit ‘Free Speech Union’. The group has openly
supported comedian Russell Brand, who moved his show from
YouTube to Rumble due to censorship from the popular video site.

PayPal didn’t give a proper explanation for their action, other
than mentioning a "breach of the acceptable use policy," said
the report. However, the company succumbed under public pressure
and had to restore Brand’s account and apologize, reported The
Telegraph. Major platforms, including Amazon, Twitter, and
Facebook had too taken a strict stand in past, against
conservatives and other elements who opt for heterodox positions
on controversial social issues.

Especially, against transgenderism, and homosexuality, platforms
such as GoFundMe confiscated millions of funds raised for
trucker protests in Canada that were supposed to take place
earlier this year. Jeremy Tedesco, vice president of corporate
engagement at Alliance Defending Freedom said, “When companies
apply policies to restrict the religious speech of their
customers, they could run afoul of prohibitions on religious
discrimination that exist in many state and federal laws.”

Many PayPal users have slammed this decision and took to Twitter
to share their reactions. One user wrote, "Delete your #PayPal
account now." Another tweeted, "It’s not “misinformation”
#PayPal wants to censor, it’s dissent. I saw what they did to
the Canadian truckers, I see what they’re doing to independent
content creators. I’m closing out. I hope they get litigated
into oblivion." One wrote, "Surely this renders #Paypal
unusable? They will have sole discretion to charge you $2500 if
they believe you are funding anything 'objectionable' or
spreading 'misinformation'! Who could even contemplate taking
this risk?" Another reacted, "I didn’t need more reasons to
avoid #PayPal but here we go…"

Vielned
@vielned
·
Follow
Delete your #PayPal account now
Julia ????
@Jules31415
Replying to @Jules31415
Users are also barred from “the promotion of hate, violence,
racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory.”

Deliberations will be made at the “sole discretion” of PayPal &
may subject users to “damages”—including $2,500 “debited
directly from your PayPal account.”

Words are free ??
@sub_boo
·
Follow
It’s not “misinformation” #PayPal wants to censor, it’s dissent.
I saw what they did to the Canadian truckers, I see what they’re
doing to independent content creators. I’m closing out. I hope
they get litigated into oblivion.
Jack Posobiec ????
@JackPosobiec
New PayPal Policy Lets Company Pull $2,500 From Users’ Accounts
If They Promote ‘Misinformation’ https://dailywire.com/news/new-
paypal-policy-lets-company-pull-2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-
promote-misinformation


Ray Smith
@TheRealRolfster
·
Follow
Surely this renders #Paypal unusable? They will have sole
discretion to charge you $2500 if they believe you are funding
anything “objectionable” or spreading “misinformation”! Who
could even contemplate taking this risk?
1970Brat
@1970Brat
Replying to @stillgray

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ll>


D
@BlueTar78
·
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I didn’t need more reasons to avoid #PayPal but here we go…
Dr. Carol M. Swain
@carolmswain
New #PayPal Policy Lets Company Pull $2,500 From Users’ Accounts
If They Promote ‘Misinformation’ | The Daily Wire
https://dailywire.com/news/new-paypal-policy-lets-company-pull-
2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-promote-misinformation

Other individuals and groups PayPal had sanctioned recently
include Gays Against Groomers, a group known for opposing the
sexualization of children, Colin Wright, an evolutionary
biologist, and Ian Miles Cheong, a journalist.

https://meaww.com/truth-behind-rumors-pay-pal-can-remove-2-500-
from-account

--
The average millenial wokster has over $100,000.00 in credit
card debt.

Woksters are too lazy to work and have no money except for what
they leech from their parents, trust funds, welfare, or do-
gooder handouts.

Many woksters sign their lives away for $600 a month and an EBT
card, claiming they are mentally incompetent and cannot handle
their own personal affairs.

Individuals who voluntarily affirm that they are mentally
incompetent should also forfeit their right to vote.

Woksters have similar numbers to homosexuals and constitute
perhaps 3% of the US population.

What strategic business principle sees profit in this kind of
market prospect?

What reasonable consumer would support a business with woke
philosophies and policies?

[26C.Z968]

On 10/15/22 2:53 AM, Embrace Woke Go Broke! wrote:
> In article <smerlm$dbp$***@news.dns-netz.com>
> ***@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Looks like it's time to cancel paypal.
>> I just deleted my cards from the paypal account.
>>
>
> A new Paypal user policy that permits the company to fine users
> $2,500 for spreading “misinformation” has caused quite a stir on
> social media platforms. After November 3, anyone who posts or
> publishes information or content to “promote misinformation”
> will be subject to the penalty.
>
> Editor’s note: This article was updated to reflect that Paypal
> has retracted the user policy information after the social media
> backlash.

Irrelevant - they've revealed HOW THEY THINK and it's
BAD thinking. Forget PP ... consign it to the waste
bin of history. Besides, the amount of FRAUD involving
PP or the PP name is ridiculous. I can see why Musk
dumped it as fast as he could.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 10/15/22 8:13 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
> On 10/15/22 2:53 AM, Embrace Woke Go Broke! wrote:
>> In article <smerlm$dbp$***@news.dns-netz.com>
>> ***@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like it's time to cancel paypal.
>>> I just deleted my cards from the paypal account.
>>>
>>
>> A new Paypal user policy that permits the company to fine users
>> $2,500 for spreading “misinformation” has caused quite a stir on
>> social media platforms. After November 3, anyone who posts or
>> publishes information or content to “promote misinformation”
>> will be subject to the penalty.
>>
>> Editor’s note: This article was updated to reflect that Paypal
>> has retracted the user policy information after the social media
>> backlash.
>
>   Irrelevant - they've revealed HOW THEY THINK and it's
>   BAD thinking. Forget PP ... consign it to the waste
>   bin of history. Besides, the amount of FRAUD involving
>   PP or the PP name is ridiculous. I can see why Musk
>   dumped it as fast as he could.

It's what Democrats do best, they steal your money... it's what they
plan and plot and scheme for. It's the reason they see for their existence.

--
-That's karma-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Sean Langille: During questioning from Special Counsel John Durham,
Brian Auten, a supervisory counter intelligence analyst with the FBI,
revealed the FBI offered Christopher Steele one million dollars if he
could corroborate allegations in the Dossier, but that Steele could not
do so. Auten repeatedly admitted under questioning from Durham that the
FBI never got corroboration of the information in the Steele Dossier but
used it in the initial FISA application and in the three subsequent
renewals.

https://twitter.com/SeanLangille/status/1579933058123575297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1579933058123575297%7Ctwgr%5E5c157dc793b56eaed9e71fd30ab6402edec48d95%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2022%2F10%2Fkash-patel-calls-dirtbag-chris-wrays-immediate-impeachment-following-tuesdays-shocking-news-video%2F

[26C.Z968]

On 10/16/22 9:07 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 10/15/22 8:13 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
>> On 10/15/22 2:53 AM, Embrace Woke Go Broke! wrote:
>>> In article <smerlm$dbp$***@news.dns-netz.com>
>>> ***@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looks like it's time to cancel paypal.
>>>> I just deleted my cards from the paypal account.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A new Paypal user policy that permits the company to fine users
>>> $2,500 for spreading “misinformation” has caused quite a stir on
>>> social media platforms. After November 3, anyone who posts or
>>> publishes information or content to “promote misinformation”
>>> will be subject to the penalty.
>>>
>>> Editor’s note: This article was updated to reflect that Paypal
>>> has retracted the user policy information after the social media
>>> backlash.
>>
>>    Irrelevant - they've revealed HOW THEY THINK and it's
>>    BAD thinking. Forget PP ... consign it to the waste
>>    bin of history. Besides, the amount of FRAUD involving
>>    PP or the PP name is ridiculous. I can see why Musk
>>    dumped it as fast as he could.
>
> It's what Democrats do best, they steal your money... it's what they
> plan and plot and scheme for.  It's the reason they see for their
> existence.

The Wokies went beyond Marx ... instead of "the means
of production" they've proceeded to try and seize
"the means of finance" - and had some success. The
smaller target means they can concentrate pressure
more effectively.

As for PP itself - it's always been iffy. LONG back
I *started* to create an account and then changed
my mind halfway through. NEXT DAY I was getting
fake mails about bills and breech of account where
I was supposed to click on a box and supply
(non-existent) account numbers, SS numbers and
all the rest. Somebody was WATCHING, in DETAIL.
Some of the companies I deal with are getting
fairly convincing fake PP invoices a dozen times
a week now. "You just bought 100 bitcoins ! Click
for Invoice !" "You just bought a 96 inch HDTV -
click here for invoice !" It's a fake invoice
reference which would immediately prompt you to
call the "help" number. All LOOKS legit - but
the 'contact us' number is usually in TURKEY,
which is uncomfortably cozy with RUSSIA these days ...

Just sayin' ......

[g***@gmail.com]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:21:03 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
wrote:

> As for PP itself - it's always been iffy. LONG back
> I *started* to create an account and then changed
> my mind halfway through. NEXT DAY I was getting
> fake mails about bills and breech of account where
> I was supposed to click on a box and supply
> (non-existent) account numbers, SS numbers and
> all the rest. Somebody was WATCHING, in DETAIL.
> Some of the companies I deal with are getting
> fairly convincing fake PP invoices a dozen times
> a week now. "You just bought 100 bitcoins ! Click
> for Invoice !" "You just bought a 96 inch HDTV -
> click here for invoice !" It's a fake invoice
> reference which would immediately prompt you to
> call the "help" number. All LOOKS legit - but
> the 'contact us' number is usually in TURKEY,
> which is uncomfortably cozy with RUSSIA these days ...
>
> Just sayin' ......

It's called spam. Whoever you started that account with got your
email and sold it.

Swill
--
A lie can make it twice around the world before the truth has it's boots on.
- Terry Pratchett

[26C.Z968]

On 10/18/22 12:38 AM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:21:03 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As for PP itself - it's always been iffy. LONG back
>> I *started* to create an account and then changed
>> my mind halfway through. NEXT DAY I was getting
>> fake mails about bills and breech of account where
>> I was supposed to click on a box and supply
>> (non-existent) account numbers, SS numbers and
>> all the rest. Somebody was WATCHING, in DETAIL.
>> Some of the companies I deal with are getting
>> fairly convincing fake PP invoices a dozen times
>> a week now. "You just bought 100 bitcoins ! Click
>> for Invoice !" "You just bought a 96 inch HDTV -
>> click here for invoice !" It's a fake invoice
>> reference which would immediately prompt you to
>> call the "help" number. All LOOKS legit - but
>> the 'contact us' number is usually in TURKEY,
>> which is uncomfortably cozy with RUSSIA these days ...
>>
>> Just sayin' ......
>
> It's called spam. Whoever you started that account with got your
> email and sold it.

I didn't even SAVE the info ... someone was watching
REAL TIME.

As for TODAYS PP 'spam' ... it's good enough so 99% would
not be able to detect it as such. They CALL the number in
Turkey and get BLASTED. Try as I will, I cannot elevate
the collective IQ. I can instill a certain paranoia
though ... that'll have to do. But that's in my little
circles. What about everyone else ? THEIR stuff is often
connected to MY stuff in various ways.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 10/18/22 1:22 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
> On 10/18/22 12:38 AM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:21:03 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   As for PP itself - it's always been iffy. LONG back
>>>    I *started* to create an account and then changed
>>>    my mind halfway through. NEXT DAY I was getting
>>>    fake mails about bills and breech of account where
>>>    I was supposed to click on a box and supply
>>>    (non-existent) account numbers, SS numbers and
>>>    all the rest. Somebody was WATCHING, in DETAIL.
>>>    Some of the companies I deal with are getting
>>>    fairly convincing fake PP invoices a dozen times
>>>    a week now. "You just bought 100 bitcoins ! Click
>>>    for Invoice !" "You just bought a 96 inch HDTV -
>>>    click here for invoice !" It's a fake invoice
>>>    reference which would immediately prompt you to
>>>    call the "help" number. All LOOKS legit -  but
>>>    the 'contact us' number is usually in TURKEY,
>>>    which is uncomfortably cozy with RUSSIA these days ...
>>>
>>>    Just sayin' ......
>>
>> It's called spam.  Whoever you started that account with got your
>> email and sold it.
>
>   I didn't even SAVE the info ... someone was watching
>   REAL TIME.
>
>   As for TODAYS PP 'spam' ... it's good enough so 99% would
>   not be able to detect it as such. They CALL the number in
>   Turkey and get BLASTED. Try as I will, I cannot elevate
>   the collective IQ. I can instill a certain paranoia
>   though ... that'll have to do. But that's in my little
>   circles. What about everyone else ? THEIR stuff is often
>   connected to MY stuff in various ways.


--
-That's karma-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Sean Langille: During questioning from Special Counsel John Durham,
Brian Auten, a supervisory counter intelligence analyst with the FBI,
revealed the FBI offered Christopher Steele one million dollars if he
could corroborate allegations in the Dossier, but that Steele could not
do so. Auten repeatedly admitted under questioning from Durham that the
FBI never got corroboration of the information in the Steele Dossier but
used it in the initial FISA application and in the three subsequent
renewals.

https://twitter.com/SeanLangille/status/1579933058123575297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1579933058123575297%7Ctwgr%5E5c157dc793b56eaed9e71fd30ab6402edec48d95%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2022%2F10%2Fkash-patel-calls-dirtbag-chris-wrays-immediate-impeachment-following-tuesdays-shocking-news-video%2F

[g***@gmail.com]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 01:22:51 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
wrote:

>> It's called spam. Whoever you started that account with got your
>> email and sold it.
>
> I didn't even SAVE the info ... someone was watching
> REAL TIME.

Not some "one", some "thing". You were typing characters into their
computer via their website. When one aborts such an application
process, the date entered earlier is still in the site's computers
even if you never save anything. The instant you type it in, it's
recorded. How else do you think it appears on their web page as you
type it?

Swill
--
A lie can make it twice around the world before the truth has it's boots on.
- Terry Pratchett

[26C.Z968]

On 10/18/22 5:51 PM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 01:22:51 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> It's called spam. Whoever you started that account with got your
>>> email and sold it.
>>
>> I didn't even SAVE the info ... someone was watching
>> REAL TIME.
>
> Not some "one", some "thing". You were typing characters into their
> computer via their website. When one aborts such an application
> process, the date entered earlier is still in the site's computers
> even if you never save anything. The instant you type it in, it's
> recorded. How else do you think it appears on their web page as you
> type it?

I'm IT, I know how it works. Someone, or many someones,
had put a little bot on the PP server - probably logged
raw keystrokes instead of copying completed records judging
by subsequent events. PP never noticed.

[g***@gmail.com]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 21:09:44 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
wrote:

>On 10/18/22 5:51 PM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 01:22:51 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> It's called spam. Whoever you started that account with got your
>>>> email and sold it.
>>>
>>> I didn't even SAVE the info ... someone was watching
>>> REAL TIME.
>>
>> Not some "one", some "thing". You were typing characters into their
>> computer via their website. When one aborts such an application
>> process, the date entered earlier is still in the site's computers
>> even if you never save anything. The instant you type it in, it's
>> recorded. How else do you think it appears on their web page as you
>> type it?
>
> I'm IT, I know how it works. Someone, or many someones,
> had put a little bot on the PP server - probably logged
> raw keystrokes instead of copying completed records judging
> by subsequent events. PP never noticed.

Which is what I said! Some"thing", a bot, however you want to
describe the lines of code that captured the data.

And no, I don't believe you're IT or you wouldn't have said "someone"
and then argued the point. You would have known it was lines of code
responsible for recording your inputs in real time.

Swill
--
What am I? I'm a progressive in my compassion for the vulnerable.
I'm a libertarian in my passion for freedom and I'm a consevative
in that I believe you need civilization to protect both of them.
- Michael Schellenberger, independent candidate for Governor in California

[26C.Z968]

On 10/19/22 12:03 PM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 21:09:44 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/22 5:51 PM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 01:22:51 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's called spam. Whoever you started that account with got your
>>>>> email and sold it.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even SAVE the info ... someone was watching
>>>> REAL TIME.
>>>
>>> Not some "one", some "thing". You were typing characters into their
>>> computer via their website. When one aborts such an application
>>> process, the date entered earlier is still in the site's computers
>>> even if you never save anything. The instant you type it in, it's
>>> recorded. How else do you think it appears on their web page as you
>>> type it?
>>
>> I'm IT, I know how it works. Someone, or many someones,
>> had put a little bot on the PP server - probably logged
>> raw keystrokes instead of copying completed records judging
>> by subsequent events. PP never noticed.
>
> Which is what I said! Some"thing", a bot, however you want to
> describe the lines of code that captured the data.
>
> And no, I don't believe you're IT or you wouldn't have said "someone"
> and then argued the point. You would have known it was lines of code
> responsible for recording your inputs in real time.

I'm very much IT ... and bots don't create THEMSELVES and
go searching for servers - someONE writes them and PUTS
them there.

Dontcha know how software works ?

Now in ten years or twenty years ... yea ... they MIGHT
create and colonize all by themselves .........

THEN be afraid, be very afraid .........

Last weeks project was in 'C' - a UDP server. Connect,
send commands, get results. It's bi-di though, the
server CAN push status messages to the client by itself
if needed. This week is a re-do of a good Python
multi-purpose backup program that'd suffered years of
feature-creep and became huge and unreadable/unserviceable.
The object Pascal re-do will be 25% of the code size and
far better organized and well-described.

And yes, I really LIKE Pascal. Still have the IBM/MS
multi-pass Pascal compiler on a VM and occasionally
write little apps in it for fun. One actually does
something useful :-)

Cleaning dusty shelves recently I came across "Computer
Language" volume 1 (1984). Articles are :
BASIC Becomes a Structured Language
Programming in the UNIX environment
Bubble Sort, Insertion Sort and QuickSort Compared
Improve Your Programming With Structured Techniques
COBOL : Pride and Prejudice
Exploring ADA and Modula-2
and the "C vs FORTH Debate"
Plus loads of vintage ads and reviews ... including
for Turbo Pascal v2.0 and the CL *BBS* system at
[phone] (300/1200 baud)
Super Forth 64 (for the C-64)
Logitech Modula-2/86
Interview with Charles Moore
Small C for the IBM-PC ($40)
TMS320 Software from CompuTalker
mbp COBOL: 4 Times Faster and now with SORT & Chain ($750)
Sage Computers
Aztec 'C' compilers for 8086 and CP/M-80

Pages a little yellowed, but not bad.

I *think* you can actually download all or bits of
it at :

https://archive.org/details/Computer_Language_Issue_01_1984-09_CL_Publications_US

I also have a BYTE mag with a review of something
called Microsoft Windows - version 1

(it was horrible BTW, but I do have it on a VM now.
My old boss BOUGHT it back in the day. You could get
better on a C-64 frankly, maybe STILL can :-)

Ah ... those were the days - SO many balls in
the air ...

Always wanted a Sage computer - but couldn't afford
one at the time ........... M68000 -> 68040 in
IBM-PC desktop form factor. Yum !

Was always intrigued by the Texas Instruments
9900 series - back when there was about zero
on-chip RAM/cache and main memory was actually
a bit faster. They moved all the CPU registers
to RAM and you could implement multi-user memory
frames direct via CPU instructions - BLWP ...
Branch And Load Workspace Pointer. Software
solutions eventually became better.

These days I mostly stick to Linux, a little for
microcontrollers on the side. Still gotta rock
the ASM a bit for those little PIC chips. A
little PHP and even a speck of FORTRAN ....
keeps it interesting.

HATE ADA ... think "anal on Imodium" ... the DOD
must hire newbies and hold a gun to their heads
to make 'em program in ADA.

Let's just say I found a good spot way back and
never WORKED another day in my life. If you
suffered in DilbertWorld ... well ... sorry ...
sometimes the big $$$ ain't really worth it.

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 00:44:51 -0400, "26C.Z968" <***@noada.net>
wrote:

> I'm very much IT ... and bots don't create THEMSELVES and
> go searching for servers - someONE writes them and PUTS
> them there.

Which is not the same as someONE watching you in real time.

Swill
--
What am I? I'm a progressive in my compassion for the vulnerable.
I'm a libertarian in my passion for freedom and I'm a consevative
in that I believe you need civilization to protect both of them.
- Michael Schellenberger, independent candidate for Governor in California