Discussion:
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Dustbin
2006-11-22 20:11:59 UTC
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It seems to be 1 post per day !

D.
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Jayne Kulikauskas
2006-11-22 21:42:44 UTC
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Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.

I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use
the web interface:
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
Masculist
2006-11-22 21:53:40 UTC
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Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.

Oh the horror, the horror...

Smitty
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
Mark Borgerson
2006-11-23 02:31:13 UTC
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Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Oh the horror, the horror...
Smitty
So, do you think that GA disappeared from soc.men because he didn't
want to face questions about his disappearance as a moderator for
smm, or because he was terrified of Jayne--or was it some other
reason?? After years of debate with Parg and others, I didn't
think he would disappear so quickly. But I guess everyone reaches
a decision points in their lives which result in changes that are
hard for others to understand.

He was an eloquent, if extreme, voice for men's rights. For that
reason, I had no problem with him becoming a moderator for smm.
I wish he was still willing to participate there.


Mark Borgerson
Mark Borgerson
2006-11-23 02:40:39 UTC
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Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Oh the horror, the horror...
Smitty
So, do you think that GA disappeared from soc.men because he didn't
want to face questions about his disappearance as a moderator for
smm, or because he was terrified of Jayne--or was it some other
reason?? After years of debate with Parg and others, I didn't
think he would disappear so quickly. But I guess everyone reaches
a decision points in their lives which result in changes that are
hard for others to understand.
He was an eloquent, if extreme, voice for men's rights. For that
reason, I had no problem with him becoming a moderator for smm.
I wish he was still willing to participate there.
BTW, the same applies to Mark S (PolishKnight)---although he is
a bit less extreme than GA. AFAIK neither has offered a public
or private (to myself or Graham) reason for their reluctance to
act as moderators for SMM. It is possible, though, that such an
explananation has appeared on soc.men and I missed it when I returned
from a trip and had to skim through the 2000+ accumulated posts on
soc.men. Sometimes the message subject lines seem to have little
to do with the content and I tend to mark whole threads as read.

I was actuallly a bit surprised by the low message count over the
last 10 days (while I was out of town). It did make moderation
fairly simple, though. (I don't think any moderator can claim
that the traffic levels on smm have resulted in too much work!)


Mark Borgerson
Masculist
2006-11-23 19:24:15 UTC
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Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Oh the horror, the horror...
Smitty
So, do you think that GA disappeared from soc.men because he didn't
want to face questions about his disappearance as a moderator for
smm, or because he was terrified of Jayne--or was it some other
reason??
"Terrified of Jayne"? I think not. He's disappeared before. It's
just another GA hiatus for whatever reason.
Post by Mark Borgerson
After years of debate with Parg and others, I didn't
think he would disappear so quickly. But I guess everyone reaches
a decision points in their lives which result in changes that are
hard for others to understand.
He was an eloquent, if extreme, voice for men's rights.
That he is and very clever too...and big hearted.
Post by Mark Borgerson
For that
reason, I had no problem with him becoming a moderator for smm.
I wish he was still willing to participate there.
Me too. He'll be back eventually.

BTW, don't you miss me over there? None of us miss Turin anywhere. I
see the asshole is back here again. Just when I get hope that the
Turin stench around soc.men is gone...up pops the weasel. I shouldn't
be so critical of him. Afterall, he clearly has mental problems.

Tom
Post by Mark Borgerson
Mark Borgerson
Masculist
2006-11-23 19:24:23 UTC
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Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Oh the horror, the horror...
Smitty
So, do you think that GA disappeared from soc.men because he didn't
want to face questions about his disappearance as a moderator for
smm, or because he was terrified of Jayne--or was it some other
reason??
"Terrified of Jayne"? I think not. He's disappeared before. It's
just another GA hiatus for whatever reason.
Post by Mark Borgerson
After years of debate with Parg and others, I didn't
think he would disappear so quickly. But I guess everyone reaches
a decision points in their lives which result in changes that are
hard for others to understand.
He was an eloquent, if extreme, voice for men's rights.
That he is and very clever too...and big hearted.
Post by Mark Borgerson
For that
reason, I had no problem with him becoming a moderator for smm.
I wish he was still willing to participate there.
Me too. He'll be back eventually.

BTW, don't you miss me over there? None of us miss Turin anywhere. I
see the asshole is back here again. Just when I get hope that the
Turin stench around soc.men is gone...up pops the weasel. I shouldn't
be so critical of him. Afterall, he clearly has mental problems.

Tom
Post by Mark Borgerson
Mark Borgerson
c***@hotmail.com
2006-11-23 03:32:28 UTC
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Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Oh the horror, the horror...
Yeah, where is GA... his PUKE'dom posts were always fun to read.
Turin
2006-11-23 10:34:31 UTC
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Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and
alt.true.sickos, where Snyder currently holes up.

He couldn't handle being intellectually punked off anymore.
He was raised to believe that he was superior to guys who
didn't have everything in life handed to them. The
realization was traumatic for him ...as it will be for the
rest of the middleclass.
Post by Masculist
We lost
Spare us your pep rally support, Asshole. Most of you
losers haven't even lost your virginity. Your ongoing
desperate attempts to disrupt soc.men with your failed
soc.men.moderated project simply go to show that you can't
get anyone to pay any more attention to you.

Even now, Borgerdaughter is desperately doing that chronic
mating call of his: "I was out of town". Yeah. Me too. I
was helping cement a deal for Megagrab & Clutch.
Post by Masculist
a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Hahaha ...talk about projection.

Butthole, Don't you ever get the newsflashes? Everyone here
knows that the real reason Jayne offered it to him was
simply because of his hostility to me.

The whole premise of the club was reactionary. It was
Backlash Coup II: Give Rod and his supporters a nice little
reactionary corner of their own to play out their soft
feminism vs. hard liners motif.

But, it didn't work, here (in the "mainstream" forums)
because Men aren't really interested in snivelling,
repackaged feminism - and your dumb email lists are just a
fantasy world for little big-shits from the over 50 crowd
who want bully pulpits where they can disrespect people with
impunity.

Especially not from a closet liberal. An unemployed Uncle
Tom - who is now playing Cowlitz Indian only because he's
ripped off and mistreated everyone who's ever supported him,
when he was playing the white man and deliberately
distancing himself from his heritage - doesn't exactly have
a niche market for some boring daily column. Especially not
one that consists mainly of naysaying the Men's Movement
while lecturing Men about being inclusive toward the women's
movement ...Yeah, just what we need more of.

Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken
Pangborn and Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they
pretend to be. They ain't too crazy about homeless old drug
addicts, either, who make false accusations against other
Men on behalf of women. Hello.
Post by Masculist
Oh the whorror, the whorror...
Yo, How's the daughter, Tom...?






- - -

This has been another enlightening moment, with:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----
Post by Masculist
Shitty Smitty
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
krp
2006-11-23 13:43:18 UTC
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TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ Teddy Meyer
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you? Name ONE
positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights? JUST ONE!
Other than running your mouth in the internet and running everyone else down
who has ever tried to do something positive for men. Have you ever been
elected to any office in a men's organization?
Turin
2006-11-23 17:06:01 UTC
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KEN FAGBORN a/k/a/ Kenneth R. Pangborn 3980 Orchard Hill Circle Palm
Post by krp
TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ Teddy Meyer
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
Post by krp
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
Post by krp
Name ONE
positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights? JUST ONE!
I've advocated for the PUNISHMENT of women who make false accusations
against Men. Now. In your line of bullshit, Why is it that you're so
against equal sentencing?

...Oh, that's right: It's because you're a liberal and still an
ideological feminist, too. You used to belong to N.O.W., until they
started surplusing the guys who needed protecting from guys out in the
"Men's world". When sissies stopped passing for pimps, and Ken started
getting the cold shoulder, then "hate" drove the ever charming Ken away
back into the cold, cruel world. Thanks for reminding me.
Post by krp
Other than running your mouth in the internet and running everyone else down
who has ever tried to do something positive for men.
Like who? Dickhead Doyle? Warren Fairy? Rob (the) Man, Felon?
Ken-Somebody Sell-Me Fake-Credentials Pangborn...?

Yeah. With such an august list of feminist pimps to choose from, maybe
YOU should stop running your mouth on the Internet and try to do
something EFFECTIVE for Men, asswipe. Men are fed up watching each
other go down in that "set the example" quicksand trap that you noble
phonies set for us.
Post by krp
Have you ever been
elected to any office in a men's organization?
Braindead, you know very well that grassroots movements don't work that
way. In my work, we focus on culture.

Don't try using fathers' groups and Men's groups interchangeably. You
and your stupid right wing organizations, constantly posing as fathers'
groups, don't give a rat's ass for anything under the label of
"rights". (Except, of course, when you self-short-changers acquiesce
to women's rights).

Try getting the ass out of the chair once in a while, Pangborn.
Nothing is happening on talk radio. Your little dog & pony show was
years ago. Even if there were anything tangible happening there, it
sure as hell wouldn't support anything having to do with Men's (or
domesticated boys') Rights. Your pretended accomplishments amount to
exactly shit.




- - -

"This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him":

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----
krp
2006-11-24 00:34:20 UTC
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TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ Teddy Meyer
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
You are a tall fat repulsive drugged out of communist whacko.
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
That's right NONE. Just a solo internet loudmouth do nothing.
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Name ONE positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights?
JUST ONE!
I've advocated for the PUNISHMENT of women who make false accusations
against Men. Now. In your line of bullshit, Why is it that you're so
against equal sentencing?
Advocated? More like bitched and whines about it on usenet that isn't an
accomplishment. No laws were proposed much less created, now name one
ACCOMPLISHMENT other than another usenet GAS ATTACK, there Turdbrain!
Post by Turin
...Oh, that's right: It's because you're a liberal and still an
ideological feminist, too. You used to belong to N.O.W., until they
started surplusing the guys who needed protecting from guys out in
the"Men's world". When sissies stopped passing for pimps, and Ken started
getting the cold shoulder, then "hate" drove the ever charming Ken away
back into the cold, cruel world. Thanks for reminding me.
30 years ago I supported equal opportunity. That doesn't make me a male
feminist.
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Other than running your mouth in the internet and running everyone else down
who has ever tried to do something positive for men.
Like who? Dickhead Doyle? Warren Fairy? Rob (the) Man, Felon?
Ken-Somebody Sell-Me Fake-Credentials Pangborn...?
See - ALL you can do is attack everyone who DOES anything. Doyle just
published another book, AND YOU? You worthless piece of shit loudmouth?
NADA!!!!
Post by Turin
Yeah. With such an august list of feminist pimps to choose from, maybe
YOU should stop running your mouth on the Internet and try to do
something EFFECTIVE for Men, asswipe. Men are fed up watching each
other go down in that "set the example" quicksand trap that you noble
phonies set for us.
The men I work with, Turdbrain don't GO DOWN! They DO when they listen
to a jackass like you.
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Have you ever been elected to any office in a men's organization?
Braindead, you know very well that grassroots movements don't work that
way. In my work, we focus on culture.
Work? Being a loudmouth cretin on Usenet is "WORK?" You are bullshit.
Post by Turin
Don't try using fathers' groups and Men's groups interchangeably. You
and your stupid right wing organizations, constantly posing as fathers'
groups, don't give a rat's ass for anything under the label of
"rights". (Except, of course, when you self-short-changers acquiesce
to women's rights).
Make up your mind, we're either left wing male feminists or right wing.
Which is it?
Stormy
2006-11-24 05:38:28 UTC
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Post by Turin
KEN FAGBORN a/k/a/ Kenneth R. Pangborn 3980 Orchard Hill Circle Palm
Post by krp
TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ Teddy Meyer
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
Wow, standards sure are getting low around here LOL
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
That's what kenny really meant too.
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Name ONE
positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights? JUST ONE!
I've advocated for the PUNISHMENT of women who make false accusations
against Men. Now. In your line of bullshit, Why is it that you're so
against equal sentencing?
Good answer. I saw kakes try to talk around that one without
answering. It still doesn't sit well with his roll over and play nice
'strategy'.
Post by Turin
...Oh, that's right: It's because you're a liberal and still an
ideological feminist, too. You used to belong to N.O.W., until they
started surplusing the guys who needed protecting from guys out in the
"Men's world". When sissies stopped passing for pimps, and Ken started
getting the cold shoulder, then "hate" drove the ever charming Ken away
back into the cold, cruel world. Thanks for reminding me.
Isn't it pathetic? Whenever some women refuse to lift a box or need a
bully to back them up on their lying against guys the lines of kenny
kakes can be seen going out the door for 7 blocks an' claiming they're
supporting equality, but when the Turins bravely take a stand for their
own sex in the gender war the kennies all make a peace sign and head
for Canada LOLOL
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Other than running your mouth in the internet and running everyone else down
who has ever tried to do something positive for men.
Like who? Dickhead Doyle? Warren Fairy? Rob (the) Man, Felon?
Ken-Somebody Sell-Me Fake-Credentials Pangborn...?
According to Pangy, publishing books to make money counts as work for
the men's movement Turin. I think I recognize all of these names an'
the first two still top him in that category so you've got him either
way.
Post by Turin
Yeah. With such an august list of feminist pimps to choose from, maybe
YOU should stop running your mouth on the Internet and try to do
something EFFECTIVE for Men, asswipe. Men are fed up watching each
other go down in that "set the example" quicksand trap that you noble
phonies set for us.
Got him!
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Have you ever been
elected to any office in a men's organization?
Braindead, you know very well that grassroots movements don't work that
way. In my work, we focus on culture.
Well that rules out Kenny.
Post by Turin
Don't try using fathers' groups and Men's groups interchangeably. You
and your stupid right wing organizations, constantly posing as fathers'
groups, don't give a rat's ass for anything under the label of
"rights". (Except, of course, when you self-short-changers acquiesce
to women's rights).
You got him again Turin. Liberal Kenny tries to wiggle feminism over to
the left side 'cause he knows that the 'left' lie is the only way he
an' his right wing buddies can whitewash their own feminism in front of
the public. Now Kenny will tell you that liberalsim is left wing too.
Watch him.
Post by Turin
Try getting the ass out of the chair once in a while, Pangborn.
Nothing is happening on talk radio. Your little dog & pony show was
years ago. Even if there were anything tangible happening there, it
sure as hell wouldn't support anything having to do with Men's (or
domesticated boys') Rights. Your pretended accomplishments amount to
exactly shit.
LOL! I love the way you always put Pangy in his place Turin.

Stormy
Post by Turin
- - -
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
krp
2006-11-24 09:35:46 UTC
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TURBAN'S LITTLE HELPER
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and
alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
Wow, standards sure are getting low around here LOL
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Post by Turin
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
That's what kenny really meant too.
On your knees there slave!! Turdbrain is horny again.
Turin
2006-12-12 21:47:44 UTC
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Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
KEN FAGBORN a/k/a/ Kenneth R. Pangborn 3980 Orchard Hill Circle Palm
Post by krp
TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ Teddy Meyer
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
Wow, standards sure are getting low around here LOL
Hahaha
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
That's what kenny really meant too.
I know.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Name ONE
positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights? JUST ONE!
I've advocated for the PUNISHMENT of women who make false accusations
against Men. Now. In your line of bullshit, Why is it that you're so
against equal sentencing?
Good answer. I saw kakes try to talk around that one without
answering. It still doesn't sit well with his roll over and play nice
'strategy'.
Pangborn is nothing but another little mouth without the
courage of his convictions.

He's too busy being blackmailed by a whorehouse of daughters
and granddaughters for one thing. For another, pretending
to be the opposite of what he really is makes for a
face-saving defense.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
...Oh, that's right: It's because you're a liberal and still an
ideological feminist, too. You used to belong to N.O.W., until they
started surplusing the guys who needed protecting from guys out in the
"Men's world". When sissies stopped passing for pimps, and Ken started
getting the cold shoulder, then "hate" drove the ever charming Ken away
back into the cold, cruel world. Thanks for reminding me.
Isn't it pathetic? Whenever some women refuse to lift a box or need a
bully to back them up on their lying against guys the lines of kenny
kakes can be seen going out the door for 7 blocks an' claiming they're
supporting equality, but when the Turins bravely take a stand for their
own sex in the gender war the kennies all make a peace sign and head
for Canada LOLOL
Thanks, Storm Babe. Noncompetitive males, like Porkbarn,
PlasticKnight and Mechelen, are always part of the problem
in pushing Men's Rights as issues. They know very well
which side their bread is buttered on and their main method
for keeping things going their way is to put up just enough
of an alpha male front to help make double-Y "criminals" out
of the real alphas.

In the course of revising patriarchy, they convert male
desires into "family" desires. Male physicality gets
watered down into unembodied pseudo-intellectualism. Muscle
is attributed to "thugs". The fact is, they've got a whole
little capitalistic-civilization spiel about it. This is
class warfare, with them, all the way, hon.


But, the bottom line is that they have no inherent appeal to
the opposite sex without us. They constantly need the
working class guys as foils to provide themselves with
alternative appeal. We're the make-shift "barbarians"
within society which keep their cause active.

That's why they constantly make up reasons to warehouse
young Men, who had slut mothers, in prisons while letting
the slut mothers go on as a perpetual problem. Oh, they
decry "fatherlessness" (rather than single-motherhood
...notice that?), but only by cracking down on each next
generation of younger Men who experienced it. The only
context in which they talk about the slut mothers is where
they're blaming her as a victim (of a "fatherless" man). It
feeds on itself and it's by design.


Men have to wise up to the truth in Marxism, if only to
understand that all of this liberal-conservative nonsense is
a dualistic smoke and mirrors capitalist substitute for
describing class problems, and for playing both sides of the
problem like a game.

When we can openly challenge the castes/classes of
lesser-token men (like old Automouth Morrow on The
Backscratch), then sexism, will no longer insanely be used
as a cover for women when they grab up only the rights, and
leave the responsibilities to Men.

...THAT's the whole fucking problem.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Other than running your mouth in the internet and running everyone else down
who has ever tried to do something positive for men.
Like who? Dickhead Doyle? Warren Fairy? Rob (the) Man, Felon?
Ken-Somebody Sell-Me Fake-Credentials Pangborn...?
According to Pangy, publishing books to make money counts as work for
the men's movement Turin. I think I recognize all of these names an'
the first two still top him in that category so you've got him either
way.
That's true, Storm. Pangborn couldn't write a readable
book, using Rush Limbaugh's own ghostwriter. These other
assholes are all phonies and Pangborn's defending them
proves that he's one, too. Among other things.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Yeah. With such an august list of feminist pimps to choose from, maybe
YOU should stop running your mouth on the Internet and try to do
something EFFECTIVE for Men, asswipe. Men are fed up watching each
other go down in that "set the example" quicksand trap that you noble
phonies set for us.
Got him!
I'm good, ain't I? haha
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Have you ever been
elected to any office in a men's organization?
Braindead, you know very well that grassroots movements don't work that
way. In my work, we focus on culture.
Well that rules out Kenny.
Just checking for human DNA rules out Kenny.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Don't try using fathers' groups and Men's groups interchangeably. You
and your stupid right wing organizations, constantly posing as fathers'
groups, don't give a rat's ass for anything under the label of
"rights". (Except, of course, when you self-short-changers acquiesce
to women's rights).
You got him again Turin. Liberal Kenny tries to wiggle feminism over to
the left side 'cause he knows that the 'left' lie is the only way he
an' his right wing buddies can whitewash their own feminism in front of
the public. Now Kenny will tell you that liberalsim is left wing too.
Watch him.
Ain't it, though? ...Fucking "fathers' groups" ain't
fathers' groups any more than Andre Lieven is in his own
league for most of his laughable attempts at debating.

Father's groups are just another example of dualism: Oh,
they rant and rave against "feminism". Yet, they don't
believe in patriarchy and they don't believe in equality.


So, What do they believe in? Well, patriarchy is based on
monotheism. The Bible states it this way:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head
of Christ is God .... For the man is not of the woman; but
the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the
woman; but the woman for the man." 1 Corinthians 11:3-9

IOW, patriarchy is hierarchical.


Now, if we've got a group of clowns proudly calling
themselves sexists and male chauvinist pigs, yet they also
describe roles for wives as "running the home" - rather than
as stewards of it (under their husbands) - then what we've
really got is a group of pussywhipped boys in plaid shirts
who've had the boundaries of power moved on them, so as to
encroach into their territory, and "share" it.

And, they've been yoked as well. The wives aren't simply
"sharing" their traditional power. They're riding them as
beasts of burden. Not being able to hit the wife in the
same way as a misbehaving child, or to divorce her without
being accountable to her later, is proof that it's not
patriarchy. It's dualism.

Anyone who reads up on Wicca knows that this is how Wicca
defines the roles between the sexes, too. Today's modern
marriage has been redefined along the lines of witchcraft.


So, instead of doing something useful which would have a
chance at being accepted in today's world, by working toward
safeguarding the rights of Men, a lot of these idiotic,
so-called fathers' groups spend most of their time blaming
strawman "socialism" for "breaking up the 'family'" on them.

Whenever you can get them to allude to what they believe
SHOULD exist, they try to hand you, either, some dualistic
version of "I'm king of my castle", or else, some dualistic
modernism - where gender roles are established according to
hollow sentimentalism.

They pretend to be too proud for equality, yet their
fallback position amounts to dualism; which, is at least
equivalency. So, women all get to have their rights, while
Men all get to walk on eggshells. So fucking shortsighted.
So fucking ridiculous.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Try getting the ass out of the chair once in a while, Pangborn.
Nothing is happening on talk radio. Your little dog & pony show was
years ago. Even if there were anything tangible happening there, it
sure as hell wouldn't support anything having to do with Men's (or
domesticated boys') Rights. Your pretended accomplishments amount to
exactly shit.
LOL! I love the way you always put Pangy in his place Turin.
I do too, Storm. In my work, males who are all talk and no
action really start wearing thin on the guys after a while.

Especially, when they're great little bleeding hearts
towards women's rights and great little nay-sayers towards
Men's Rights at the same time. Pangborn isn't in his own
category, there, but he certainly excels at it...
Post by Stormy
Stormy
Post by Turin
- - -
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
Stormy
2006-12-13 09:01:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Turin
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
KEN FAGBORN a/k/a/ Kenneth R. Pangborn 3980 Orchard Hill Circle Palm
Post by krp
TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ Teddy Meyer
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and alt.true.sickos,
where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
Wow, standards sure are getting low around here LOL
Hahaha
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
That's what kenny really meant too.
I know.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Name ONE
positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights? JUST ONE!
I've advocated for the PUNISHMENT of women who make false accusations
against Men. Now. In your line of bullshit, Why is it that you're so
against equal sentencing?
Good answer. I saw kakes try to talk around that one without
answering. It still doesn't sit well with his roll over and play nice
'strategy'.
Pangborn is nothing but another little mouth without the
courage of his convictions.
Does Pangy have any convictions? I hear that Peggy does LOL
Post by Turin
He's too busy being blackmailed by a whorehouse of daughters
and granddaughters for one thing. For another, pretending
to be the opposite of what he really is makes for a
face-saving defense.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
...Oh, that's right: It's because you're a liberal and still an
ideological feminist, too. You used to belong to N.O.W., until they
started surplusing the guys who needed protecting from guys out in the
"Men's world". When sissies stopped passing for pimps, and Ken started
getting the cold shoulder, then "hate" drove the ever charming Ken away
back into the cold, cruel world. Thanks for reminding me.
Isn't it pathetic? Whenever some women refuse to lift a box or need a
bully to back them up on their lying against guys the lines of kenny
kakes can be seen going out the door for 7 blocks an' claiming they're
supporting equality, but when the Turins bravely take a stand for their
own sex in the gender war the kennies all make a peace sign and head
for Canada LOLOL
Thanks, Storm Babe. Noncompetitive males, like Porkbarn,
PlasticKnight and Mechelen, are always part of the problem
in pushing Men's Rights as issues. They know very well
which side their bread is buttered on and their main method
for keeping things going their way is to put up just enough
of an alpha male front to help make double-Y "criminals" out
of the real alphas.
In the course of revising patriarchy, they convert male
desires into "family" desires. Male physicality gets
watered down into unembodied pseudo-intellectualism. Muscle
is attributed to "thugs". The fact is, they've got a whole
little capitalistic-civilization spiel about it. This is
class warfare, with them, all the way, hon.
No class warfare an' they would be shit out of luck in a real man's
world without their ranks and titles. I would like to see them talk
their fights in Attila the Hun's army. The one that kicked Rome's ass!
Post by Turin
But, the bottom line is that they have no inherent appeal to
the opposite sex without us. They constantly need the
working class guys as foils to provide themselves with
alternative appeal. We're the make-shift "barbarians"
within society which keep their cause active.
They need some real barbarians to take them on instead of criminalizing
honest men who fight over principle. Isn't principle the difference
between civilization an' anarchy? Even in this society women don't
like these shit licking weasels.
Post by Turin
That's why they constantly make up reasons to warehouse
young Men, who had slut mothers, in prisons while letting
the slut mothers go on as a perpetual problem. Oh, they
decry "fatherlessness" (rather than single-motherhood
...notice that?),
Good point!
Post by Turin
but only by cracking down on each next
generation of younger Men who experienced it. The only
context in which they talk about the slut mothers is where
they're blaming her as a victim (of a "fatherless" man). It
feeds on itself and it's by design.
The effetes are going to make their own gender extinct.
Post by Turin
Men have to wise up to the truth in Marxism, if only to
understand that all of this liberal-conservative nonsense is
a dualistic smoke and mirrors capitalist substitute for
describing class problems, and for playing both sides of the
problem like a game.
Yup.
Post by Turin
When we can openly challenge the castes/classes of
lesser-token men (like old Automouth Morrow on The
Backscratch), then sexism, will no longer insanely be used
as a cover for women when they grab up only the rights, and
leave the responsibilities to Men.
...THAT's the whole fucking problem.
Perhaps class is the whole problem itself. US culture always preaches
equality to other cultures but they're the ones who pass sexist VAWA
style legislation on top of everything else. Hypocrisy seems to think
it can get away with anything that it pleases. That can't go on.

Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Other than running your mouth in the internet and running everyone else down
who has ever tried to do something positive for men.
Like who? Dickhead Doyle? Warren Fairy? Rob (the) Man, Felon?
Ken-Somebody Sell-Me Fake-Credentials Pangborn...?
According to Pangy, publishing books to make money counts as work for
the men's movement Turin. I think I recognize all of these names an'
the first two still top him in that category so you've got him either
way.
That's true, Storm. Pangborn couldn't write a readable
book, using Rush Limbaugh's own ghostwriter. These other
assholes are all phonies and Pangborn's defending them
proves that he's one, too. Among other things.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Yeah. With such an august list of feminist pimps to choose from, maybe
YOU should stop running your mouth on the Internet and try to do
something EFFECTIVE for Men, asswipe. Men are fed up watching each
other go down in that "set the example" quicksand trap that you noble
phonies set for us.
Got him!
I'm good, ain't I? haha
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Have you ever been
elected to any office in a men's organization?
Braindead, you know very well that grassroots movements don't work that
way. In my work, we focus on culture.
Well that rules out Kenny.
Just checking for human DNA rules out Kenny.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Don't try using fathers' groups and Men's groups interchangeably. You
and your stupid right wing organizations, constantly posing as fathers'
groups, don't give a rat's ass for anything under the label of
"rights". (Except, of course, when you self-short-changers acquiesce
to women's rights).
You got him again Turin. Liberal Kenny tries to wiggle feminism over to
the left side 'cause he knows that the 'left' lie is the only way he
an' his right wing buddies can whitewash their own feminism in front of
the public. Now Kenny will tell you that liberalsim is left wing too.
Watch him.
Ain't it, though? ...Fucking "fathers' groups" ain't
fathers' groups any more than Andre Lieven is in his own
league for most of his laughable attempts at debating.
Father's groups are just another example of dualism: Oh,
they rant and rave against "feminism". Yet, they don't
believe in patriarchy and they don't believe in equality.
So, What do they believe in? Well, patriarchy is based on
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head
of Christ is God .... For the man is not of the woman; but
the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the
woman; but the woman for the man." 1 Corinthians 11:3-9
IOW, patriarchy is hierarchical.
Now, if we've got a group of clowns proudly calling
themselves sexists and male chauvinist pigs, yet they also
describe roles for wives as "running the home" - rather than
as stewards of it (under their husbands) - then what we've
really got is a group of pussywhipped boys in plaid shirts
who've had the boundaries of power moved on them, so as to
encroach into their territory, and "share" it.
And, they've been yoked as well. The wives aren't simply
"sharing" their traditional power. They're riding them as
beasts of burden. Not being able to hit the wife in the
same way as a misbehaving child, or to divorce her without
being accountable to her later, is proof that it's not
patriarchy. It's dualism.
Anyone who reads up on Wicca knows that this is how Wicca
defines the roles between the sexes, too. Today's modern
marriage has been redefined along the lines of witchcraft.
So, instead of doing something useful which would have a
chance at being accepted in today's world, by working toward
safeguarding the rights of Men, a lot of these idiotic,
so-called fathers' groups spend most of their time blaming
strawman "socialism" for "breaking up the 'family'" on them.
Whenever you can get them to allude to what they believe
SHOULD exist, they try to hand you, either, some dualistic
version of "I'm king of my castle", or else, some dualistic
modernism - where gender roles are established according to
hollow sentimentalism.
They pretend to be too proud for equality, yet their
fallback position amounts to dualism; which, is at least
equivalency. So, women all get to have their rights, while
Men all get to walk on eggshells. So fucking shortsighted.
So fucking ridiculous.
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Try getting the ass out of the chair once in a while, Pangborn.
Nothing is happening on talk radio. Your little dog & pony show was
years ago. Even if there were anything tangible happening there, it
sure as hell wouldn't support anything having to do with Men's (or
domesticated boys') Rights. Your pretended accomplishments amount to
exactly shit.
LOL! I love the way you always put Pangy in his place Turin.
I do too, Storm. In my work, males who are all talk and no
action really start wearing thin on the guys after a while.
Especially, when they're great little bleeding hearts
towards women's rights and great little nay-sayers towards
Men's Rights at the same time. Pangborn isn't in his own
category, there, but he certainly excels at it...
Post by Stormy
Stormy
Post by Turin
- - -
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
krp
2006-12-13 11:21:20 UTC
Permalink
TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a TEDDY MEYER
Post by Turin
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and
alt.true.sickos, where Snyder currently holes up.
As ever a legend in your own mind.
I hereby apologize for not being a short, fat 400 lbs. repulsive male
feminist with no mind at all, like Pigfarm, here.
Wow, standards sure are getting low around here LOL
Hahaha
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Post by Turin
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken Pangborn and
Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they pretend to be.
Tell me something Turdbrain, how many "men" follow you?
None, Fagborn. I'm straight. I'm afraid to ask about your boyfriends.
Straight? Turbrain? You havem't gotten ANY (male OR female) in your
life. Straight = limp in this case!
Post by Turin
Post by Stormy
That's what kenny really meant too.
Post by Turin
Post by krp
Name ONE positive accomplishment you have ever done for men's rights?
JUST ONE!
I've advocated for the PUNISHMENT of women who make false accusations
against Men. Now. In your line of bullshit, Why is it that you're so
against equal sentencing?
Good answer. I saw kakes try to talk around that one without
answering. It still doesn't sit well with his roll over and play nice
'strategy'.
No it is a PISS POOR answer. What has he ACCOMPLISHED is the question
NOT how much GAS he has expelled on the internet. Not hos incessant
bitching about women and how he wants to get revenge on them. That's just
cowardly BULLSHIT which all ALL you and Turdbrain are good for.
Post by Turin
Pangborn is nothing but another little mouth without the courage of his
convictions.
Yet I have managed to get laws enacted, help win lawsuits for men and
been responsible for over 3,000 dads having sole custody. I said
ACCOMPLISHMENTS not just self-aggrandizing BULLSHIT on usenet!
Post by Turin
He's too busy being blackmailed by a whorehouse of daughters and
granddaughters for one thing. For another, pretending
to be the opposite of what he really is makes for a face-saving defense.
Blackmailed? What of my grandsons? I have more of them.
Post by Turin
Thanks, Storm Babe. Noncompetitive males, like Porkbarn, PlasticKnight
and Mechelen, are always part of the problem in pushing Men's Rights as
issues. They know very well which side their bread is buttered on and
their main method for keeping things going their way is to put up just
enough of an alpha male front to help make double-Y "criminals" out of the
real alphas.
Turbrain is so FAR from an "Alpha Male" it is laughable just having the
idea of both in the same paragraph.
Post by Turin
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Like who? Dickhead Doyle? Warren Fairy? Rob (the) Man, Felon?
Ken-Somebody Sell-Me Fake-Credentials Pangborn...?
According to Pangy, publishing books to make money counts as work for
the men's movement Turin. I think I recognize all of these names an'
the first two still top him in that category so you've got him either
way.
Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the work
of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.
t***@cotse.net
2006-12-14 02:07:07 UTC
Permalink
krp AKA "Roderick Mechelen, Jr." wrote:

Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the
work of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.

Hey Porkbarn don't you have a feminist rally to go to? Run along
now. They're all waiting for you to burn your manbra.
krp
2006-12-14 11:38:15 UTC
Permalink
DAVID MOORE PSYCHO STALKER
Post by krp
Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the
work of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.
Hey Porkbarn don't you have a feminist rally to go to? Run along
now. They're all waiting for you to burn your manbra.
Golly Davey - you have bestowed on me yet another ID. How many is that
now? 2,000? 3,000? Time to see the dock and check your meds, the psychosis
is getting worse. You need to return to nurse Ratchett's domain Davey!
t***@cotse.net
2006-12-14 13:21:38 UTC
Permalink
krp wrote:
KEN PANGBORN PSYCHO STALKER of http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
Post by krp
Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the
work of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.
Hey Porkbarn don't you have a feminist rally to go to? Run along
now. They're all waiting for you to burn your manbra.
Golly Davey - you have bestowed on me yet another ID.


Alias, "the fat drunk who can't remember his real name", Ken
Pangborn, who alters his ID slightly to hide his hundreds of daily
posts. Then again, what else is he going to do all day - bankrupt,
unemployed....
krp
2006-12-15 00:56:03 UTC
Permalink
DAVID MOORE WHINING CRYBABY STALKER WANTS HIS MOMMY!
Post by krp
Post by krp
Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the
work of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.
Hey Porkbarn don't you have a feminist rally to go to? Run along
now. They're all waiting for you to burn your manbra.
Golly Davey - you have bestowed on me yet another ID.
Alias, "the fat drunk who can't remember his real name", Ken
Pangborn, who alters his ID slightly to hide his hundreds of daily
posts. Then again, what else is he going to do all day - bankrupt,
unemployed....
My ID is the same, is controlled by Verizon. Davey I made more this
month than YOU have in the past FOUR months!!!
I still have MY house - YOU???? MOMMY'S BASEMENT! And to boot you are a
loser DEADBEAT DAD who doesn't support his kids from TWO marriages!
t***@cotse.net
2006-12-15 01:04:36 UTC
Permalink
krp wrote:
KEN PANGBORN OF HTTP://WWW.ABOUTKENPANGBORN.COM WHINING CRYBABY
STALKER WANTS HIS MOMMY!
Post by krp
Post by krp
Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the
work of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.
Hey Porkbarn don't you have a feminist rally to go to? Run along
now. They're all waiting for you to burn your manbra.
Golly Davey - you have bestowed on me yet another ID.
Alias, "the fat drunk who can't remember his real name", Ken
Pangborn, who alters his ID slightly to hide his hundreds of daily
posts. Then again, what else is he going to do all day - bankrupt,
unemployed....
My ID is the same, is controlled by Verizon. Davey I made more
this month than YOU have in the past FOUR months!!! I still have MY
house - YOU???? MOMMY'S BASEMENT! And to boot you are a loser
DEADBEAT DAD who doesn't support his kids from TWO marriages!


Sadly, Kenny's so damned illiterate, he no longer recognizes his own
name. That must be why he thinks he's listed the same in all of his
posts when in fact he is not. But wait. When he responded, he did
snip the url's that prove he is lying. There is a "k" after some of
them and others don't have it. A sad case of alzheimers from an
already sick liar. Here is proof of his lie of the hour: the links
again: ID #1 http://tinyurl.com/yg2uzl
ID #2 http://tinyurl.com/yeyett

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
ABOUT KEN PANGBORN. (Megan says her dad is dead.)

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
ABOUT KEN PANGBORN, CYBERSTALKER, FRAUD AND PROVEN LIAR.
krp
2006-12-15 01:26:07 UTC
Permalink
DAVID MOORE STILL LOSING HIS WAR WITH PUBERTY!
Post by krp
Post by krp
Post by krp
Like I said the ONLY thing you can do, Turdbrain, is to attack the
work of everyone who IS doing something. Again you prove it.
Hey Porkbarn don't you have a feminist rally to go to? Run along
now. They're all waiting for you to burn your manbra.
Golly Davey - you have bestowed on me yet another ID.
Alias, "the fat drunk who can't remember his real name", Ken
Pangborn, who alters his ID slightly to hide his hundreds of daily
posts. Then again, what else is he going to do all day - bankrupt,
unemployed....
My ID is the same, is controlled by Verizon. Davey I made more
this month than YOU have in the past FOUR months!!! I still have MY
house - YOU???? MOMMY'S BASEMENT! And to boot you are a loser
DEADBEAT DAD who doesn't support his kids from TWO marriages!
Sadly, Kenny's so damned illiterate, he no longer recognizes his own
name.
You know Davey, I pay little attention to it because it remains the same,
unless I use our Lab computer.
Lenin
2006-11-24 03:17:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and
alt.true.sickos, where Snyder currently holes up.
It's been looking quieter ever since without that guy around Turin.
Can't say the quality has gone up except when a couple guys like you
post. Feminists are running all over the place impersonating men.
Post by Turin
He couldn't handle being intellectually punked off anymore.
He was raised to believe that he was superior to guys who
didn't have everything in life handed to them. The
realization was traumatic for him ...as it will be for the
rest of the middleclass.
So true. Too many white collars try to slink into these groups so that
they can give us their theories of capitalism = patriarchy. As I
remember this GA had the usual feminist skeletons in his closet. Or so
he claimed. These punks are good only for playing hit and run.
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
We lost
Spare us your pep rally support, Asshole. Most of you
losers haven't even lost your virginity. Your ongoing
desperate attempts to disrupt soc.men with your failed
soc.men.moderated project simply go to show that you can't
get anyone to pay any more attention to you.
This Tom hobo is truly the most deranged person I've ever seen on the
internet, if not the most dangerous. It's one thing to tell a lot of
lies to win an argument. It's another to make them up as false
accusations against your opponent, simply because he keeps waling your
ass in every argument. How is the case going with that daughter thing,
Turin?

This Jayne is a pathological number too. They must be some serious
psychopaths to keep doing all of this for a tiny bit of mutual support
from people they don't even know. Where do think people like that come
from, Turin?
Post by Turin
Even now, Borgerdaughter is desperately doing that chronic
mating call of his: "I was out of town". Yeah. Me too. I
was helping cement a deal for Megagrab & Clutch.
LMAO. Now that's the other extreme.
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Hahaha ...talk about projection.
Butthole, Don't you ever get the newsflashes? Everyone here
knows that the real reason Jayne offered it to him was
simply because of his hostility to me.
No one needed a newsflash for that one.
Post by Turin
The whole premise of the club was reactionary. It was
Backlash Coup II: Give Rod and his supporters a nice little
reactionary corner of their own to play out their soft
feminism vs. hard liners motif.
That guy is something else.
Post by Turin
But, it didn't work, here (in the "mainstream" forums)
because Men aren't really interested in snivelling,
repackaged feminism - and your dumb email lists are just a
fantasy world for little big-shits from the over 50 crowd
who want bully pulpits where they can disrespect people with
impunity.
Touche.
Post by Turin
Especially not from a closet liberal. An unemployed Uncle
Tom - who is now playing Cowlitz Indian only because he's
ripped off and mistreated everyone who's ever supported him,
when he was playing the white man and deliberately
distancing himself from his heritage - doesn't exactly have
a niche market for some boring daily column. Especially not
one that consists mainly of naysaying the Men's Movement
while lecturing Men about being inclusive toward the women's
movement ...Yeah, just what we need more of.
Is Mr. Rod a full blooded Cowlitz or less?
Post by Turin
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken
Pangborn and Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they
pretend to be. They ain't too crazy about homeless old drug
addicts, either, who make false accusations against other
Men on behalf of women. Hello.
That sure sums it up. Maybe if more of these assholes went to jail
like the better men do then we'd be rid of their stink and women being
cut off from their passive supporters would finally start facing some
real heat in court. What a trap men are in.
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Oh the whorror, the whorror...
Yo, How's the daughter, Tom...?
Are you still corresponding with her Turin?

Mike.
Post by Turin
- - -
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
Post by Masculist
Shitty Smitty
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
Stormy
2006-11-24 07:03:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and
alt.true.sickos, where Snyder currently holes up.
It's been looking quieter ever since without that guy around Turin.
Can't say the quality has gone up except when a couple guys like you
post. Feminists are running all over the place impersonating men.
I've noticed that too Mike. People like Connor seem to purposely send
extreme messages just so that they can apologize for them later on.
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
He couldn't handle being intellectually punked off anymore.
He was raised to believe that he was superior to guys who
didn't have everything in life handed to them. The
realization was traumatic for him ...as it will be for the
rest of the middleclass.
So true. Too many white collars try to slink into these groups so that
they can give us their theories of capitalism = patriarchy. As I
remember this GA had the usual feminist skeletons in his closet. Or so
he claimed. These punks are good only for playing hit and run.
Turin does a nice job cutting through all of that baloney. By the time
he's done disecting those guys the biggest baddest antifeminists turn
out to be nothing more than psychological eunuchs created by their own
daughters, forget the wives. The feminists turn out to be Fortune 500
candidates an' you can hear a pin drop!
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
We lost
Spare us your pep rally support, Asshole. Most of you
losers haven't even lost your virginity. Your ongoing
desperate attempts to disrupt soc.men with your failed
soc.men.moderated project simply go to show that you can't
get anyone to pay any more attention to you.
This Tom hobo is truly the most deranged person I've ever seen on the
internet, if not the most dangerous. It's one thing to tell a lot of
lies to win an argument. It's another to make them up as false
accusations against your opponent, simply because he keeps waling your
ass in every argument. How is the case going with that daughter thing,
Turin?
Little Tom is truly in his own world. I hope not too many kids play
around the park that he hangs out in. I was reading a post by him
about kids being scared of him when they see him coming an' he was
blaming feminism. I think it's probably that he's a dirty vagrant who
looks an' acts weird. He sure does online.
Post by Lenin
This Jayne is a pathological number too. They must be some serious
psychopaths to keep doing all of this for a tiny bit of mutual support
from people they don't even know. Where do think people like that come
from, Turin?
I think that a lot of them are rejects of society who were given too
many toys or material comforts as children an' learned to believe that
they were special and better than the other kids until they lost the
ability to socialize in normal everyday ways. Jayne reminds me a lot of
Andrea Yates or possibly the mother in the movie Carrie. She even
looks kind of like Yates which is pretty creepy!
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Even now, Borgerdaughter is desperately doing that chronic
mating call of his: "I was out of town". Yeah. Me too. I
was helping cement a deal for Megagrab & Clutch.
LMAO. Now that's the other extreme.
'Megagrab & Clutch' .. I like that!
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Hahaha ...talk about projection.
Butthole, Don't you ever get the newsflashes? Everyone here
knows that the real reason Jayne offered it to him was
simply because of his hostility to me.
No one needed a newsflash for that one.
Post by Turin
The whole premise of the club was reactionary. It was
Backlash Coup II: Give Rod and his supporters a nice little
reactionary corner of their own to play out their soft
feminism vs. hard liners motif.
That guy is something else.
Post by Turin
But, it didn't work, here (in the "mainstream" forums)
because Men aren't really interested in snivelling,
repackaged feminism - and your dumb email lists are just a
fantasy world for little big-shits from the over 50 crowd
who want bully pulpits where they can disrespect people with
impunity.
Touche.
Post by Turin
Especially not from a closet liberal. An unemployed Uncle
Tom - who is now playing Cowlitz Indian only because he's
ripped off and mistreated everyone who's ever supported him,
when he was playing the white man and deliberately
distancing himself from his heritage - doesn't exactly have
a niche market for some boring daily column. Especially not
one that consists mainly of naysaying the Men's Movement
while lecturing Men about being inclusive toward the women's
movement ...Yeah, just what we need more of.
Is Mr. Rod a full blooded Cowlitz or less?
I believe he's full blooded Mike.
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken
Pangborn and Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they
pretend to be. They ain't too crazy about homeless old drug
addicts, either, who make false accusations against other
Men on behalf of women. Hello.
That sure sums it up. Maybe if more of these assholes went to jail
like the better men do then we'd be rid of their stink and women being
cut off from their passive supporters would finally start facing some
real heat in court. What a trap men are in.
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt, Roddie
is unemployable and Tom is shunned by the hobo community. All of them
have seemed to attack the Men who take the stand for rocking the boat
an' that's their due reward.

Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Oh the whorror, the whorror...
Yo, How's the daughter, Tom...?
Are you still corresponding with her Turin?
Mike.
Post by Turin
- - -
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
Post by Masculist
Shitty Smitty
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
krp
2006-11-24 10:28:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stormy
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt,
Guess again. You read too much Moore.
Masculist
2006-12-15 22:44:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Stormy
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt,
Guess again. You read too much Moore.
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>

Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.

Smitty
Jayne Kulikauskas
2006-12-15 22:49:08 UTC
Permalink
On 15 Dec 2006 14:44:39 -0800, Masculist wrote:

[...]
Post by Masculist
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in the
month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated.
If your news provider doesn't carry it, ask.
Now available on Google:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men.moderated?lnk=srg&hl=en
krp
2006-12-15 23:25:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by Masculist
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in the
month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup! WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH! WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup? You've had SUCH success with SMM!
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
Andre Lieven
2006-12-15 23:56:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by Masculist
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup! WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH! WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup? You've had SUCH success with SMM!
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
LOL ! Understated Truth Award.

Andre
Turin
2006-12-16 00:01:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by Masculist
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup! WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH! WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup? You've had SUCH success with SMM!
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
LOL ! Understated Truth Award.
I do believe I've found Jayne's next project:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc-jayne-moderated
Post by Andre Lieven
Andre
- - -

This has been another understated truth, with:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----
krp
2006-12-16 15:17:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by Masculist
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup! WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH! WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup? You've had SUCH success with SMM!
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
LOL ! Understated Truth Award.
Two abortions in the same year, isn't that a record even for the
GIGANTIC 8?
Jayne Kulikauskas
2006-12-16 17:09:16 UTC
Permalink
[...]
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in the
month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
Post by krp
WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group. I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of course,
you know so little about it that you think that highly intelligent and
dedicated people are morons. The main people who call them names are
AUKers.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated.
If your news provider doesn't carry it, ask.
Now available on Google:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men.moderated?lnk=srg&hl=en
Andre Lieven
2006-12-16 18:55:21 UTC
Permalink
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.

Jayne; Parg, same difference...
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
Like crap about " shams " ?
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
As yes, the " if this goes on " fallacy...
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group.
You are the *negative* example, right ?
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
That should take about three seconds, sicne you learned NOTHING...

Twice: See " John Winsor ".
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
No proof offered ? Cowshit fact free claim fails.
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of course,
you know so little about it that you think that highly intelligent and
dedicated people are morons.
Ah, so disagreeing with YOUR assessment of them makes one a moron.

Thanks for so clearly PROVINg that you " learned " NOTHING... Parg.
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
The main people who call them names are AUKers.
Indeed, and YOU chose one to moderate aukm&p.

YOUR cluster fuck, YOUR *responsibility*; Take it like a MAN.

Andre
Jill
2006-12-16 20:50:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.

Of course she'll claim Borgerson is a soc.men reg again never mind how
often that one was already debunked and she'll probably maintain the
handful of pitiful AUKers that post in SMM are also from soc.men, but
the truth is no soc.men regular has as of yet embraced that
"wonderful" newsgroup Jayne built just for them (ahem).

As time goes on interest about SMM continues to fall off dramatically
in soc.men and as a result its almost as though she feels she has to
pop in with some stupid SMM announcement just to let us know its still
alive and kicking (barely).
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
Like crap about " shams " ?
Those posts were crap but they were SMM crap (note the original post
was written by none other than Jayne). They weren't posted in
soc.men. We read them in SMM and just made fun of them over here.

Without the AUK cross posting garbage (which is something Jayne had a
hand in leaving here in soc.men); soc.men would still have far more
daily posts than SMM. Unless of course, Kathy and Mark were bickering
over the meaning of words (such as "bash") and as a result were
leaving dozens of posts unapproved in the queu every day.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
As yes, the " if this goes on " fallacy...
Math is hard. Talking Jayne...oops I meant Talking Barbie

Just because SMM had say 25 posts in the first 15 days of December
does NOT mean it will have 25 posts every 15 days that go by.

Considering the obvious fact that Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and
New Years Eve are all holidays falling within the next 15 days of
December, it is fair to conclude that those days might well provide
very few posts to SMM or soc.men or *any* newsgroup. SMM could just
as easily have 7 posts in the last 15 days of December. HTH.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group.
You are the *negative* example, right ?
LOL. It's like this episode of "I Love Lucy" where Lucy is so proud
because she was hired to write a chapter in a book about how to write
for publication. When the book finally came out her chapter was
titled, "Don't Let This Happen To You."
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
That should take about three seconds, sicne you learned NOTHING...
Twice: See " John Winsor ".
Don't forget PJR. <g>
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
News to me.
Post by Andre Lieven
No proof offered ? Cowshit fact free claim fails.
She don't need no stinkin' proof. Remember what she did with the
proof I supplied her upon her request?
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of course,
you know so little about it that you think that highly intelligent and
dedicated people are morons.
There's that high and mighty air of superiority tone again.
Post by Andre Lieven
Ah, so disagreeing with YOUR assessment of them makes one a moron.
No, that would be "bashing" (depending on what the word bashing means
at the moment). Jayne is from that polite newsgroup where no bashing
is allowed (again whatever the word bashing means at the moment).
Post by Andre Lieven
Thanks for so clearly PROVINg that you " learned " NOTHING... Parg.
I really think you are being insulting to Parg with that comparison.
I mean, Parg is an absolute idiot who really doesn't know what she's
saying.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
The main people who call them names are AUKers.
Indeed, and YOU chose one to moderate aukm&p.
Well, what do you expect? Remember how often Jayne told us she likes
AUKers? She is more or less their enabler.
Post by Andre Lieven
YOUR cluster fuck, YOUR *responsibility*; Take it like a MAN.
When has Jayne ever taken any true responsibility for the many
failures of SMM? Why would today be any different?
Post by Andre Lieven
Andre
Andre Lieven
2006-12-17 03:06:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
Its a pretty small difference its not like shes trolling for females
from here...
Post by Jill
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
Indeed, nd Dustbin is the only one I'd call supportive of men's rights.
Post by Jill
Of course she'll claim Borgerson is a soc.men reg again never mind how
often that one was already debunked and she'll probably maintain the
handful of pitiful AUKers that post in SMM are also from soc.men, but
the truth is no soc.men regular has as of yet embraced that
"wonderful" newsgroup Jayne built just for them (ahem).
Truth.
Post by Jill
As time goes on interest about SMM continues to fall off dramatically
in soc.men and as a result its almost as though she feels she has to
pop in with some stupid SMM announcement just to let us know its still
alive and kicking (barely).
Its just pathetic and funny, innit ? She got her marble, yet still CANNOT
stop returning to where she didn't get to be Queen...
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
Like crap about " shams " ?
Those posts were crap but they were SMM crap (note the original post
was written by none other than Jayne). They weren't posted in
soc.men. We read them in SMM and just made fun of them over here.
That was my point, yes.
Post by Jill
Without the AUK cross posting garbage (which is something Jayne had a
hand in leaving here in soc.men); soc.men would still have far more
daily posts than SMM. Unless of course, Kathy and Mark were bickering
over the meaning of words (such as "bash") and as a result were
leaving dozens of posts unapproved in the queu every day.
Well, it just goes to show what happens when you give a job to two
WomenFirsters... Nothing actually gets done.
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
As yes, the " if this goes on " fallacy...
Math is hard. Talking Jayne...oops I meant Talking Barbie
Now, now, Barbie is... udeful to some. <g>
Post by Jill
Just because SMM had say 25 posts in the first 15 days of December
does NOT mean it will have 25 posts every 15 days that go by.
Of course you and I, and anyone schooled on logic and looking at a
calendar will understand that.
Post by Jill
Considering the obvious fact that Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and
New Years Eve are all holidays falling within the next 15 days of
December, it is fair to conclude that those days might well provide
very few posts to SMM or soc.men or *any* newsgroup. SMM could just
as easily have 7 posts in the last 15 days of December. HTH.
Again, truth.
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group.
You are the *negative* example, right ?
LOL. It's like this episode of "I Love Lucy" where Lucy is so proud
because she was hired to write a chapter in a book about how to write
for publication. When the book finally came out her chapter was
titled, "Don't Let This Happen To You."
<Laughs> Indeed.
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
That should take about three seconds, sicne you learned NOTHING...
Twice: See " John Winsor ".
Don't forget PJR. <g>
Yep. Thats twice that Jayne was taken to the cleaners. A moral and honest
person, having been so publically, and against so much advice, *fleeced*,
would have the honour to shut up about their " accomplishments "...
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
News to me.
Post by Andre Lieven
No proof offered ? Cowshit fact free claim fails.
She don't need no stinkin' proof. Remember what she did with the
proof I supplied her upon her request?
Indeed. Thats yet another reason I said that theres no functional
difference between her and Parg.
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of course,
you know so little about it that you think that highly intelligent and
dedicated people are morons.
There's that high and mighty air of superiority tone again.
Post by Andre Lieven
Ah, so disagreeing with YOUR assessment of them makes one a moron.
No, that would be "bashing" (depending on what the word bashing means
at the moment). Jayne is from that polite newsgroup where no bashing
is allowed (again whatever the word bashing means at the moment).
Yeah, she comes HERE to do what she CANNOT do on alt.usenet.kooks.
moderated&polite...
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Thanks for so clearly PROVING that you " learned " NOTHING... Parg.
I really think you are being insulting to Parg with that comparison.
Oh my...
Post by Jill
I mean, Parg is an absolute idiot who really doesn't know what she's
saying.
Well, neither learns at all well, yes ?
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
The main people who call them names are AUKers.
Indeed, and YOU chose one to moderate aukm&p.
Well, what do you expect? Remember how often Jayne told us she likes
AUKers? She is more or less their enabler.
Bingo.
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
YOUR cluster fuck, YOUR *responsibility*; Take it like a MAN.
When has Jayne ever taken any true responsibility for the many
failures of SMM? Why would today be any different?
Just pointing out truth for the record... :-)

Andre
krp
2006-12-17 11:04:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
Of course she'll claim Borgerson is a soc.men reg again never mind how
often that one was already debunked and she'll probably maintain the
handful of pitiful AUKers that post in SMM are also from soc.men, but
the truth is no soc.men regular has as of yet embraced that
"wonderful" newsgroup Jayne built just for them (ahem).
As time goes on interest about SMM continues to fall off dramatically
in soc.men and as a result its almost as though she feels she has to
pop in with some stupid SMM announcement just to let us know its still
alive and kicking (barely).
How can interest fall off dramatically when it was near ZERO to begin with?
What's HALF of ZERO?
Ben
2006-12-17 13:44:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
So just what exactly is a soc/men reg, then, if years of postings
supportive of men, boys, and fathers doesn't count?
Post by Jill
Of course she'll claim Borgerson is a soc.men reg again never mind how
often that one was already debunked and she'll probably maintain the
handful of pitiful AUKers that post in SMM are also from soc.men, but
the truth is no soc.men regular has as of yet embraced that
"wonderful" newsgroup Jayne built just for them (ahem).
As time goes on interest about SMM continues to fall off dramatically
in soc.men and as a result its almost as though she feels she has to
pop in with some stupid SMM announcement just to let us know its still
alive and kicking (barely).
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
Like crap about " shams " ?
Those posts were crap but they were SMM crap (note the original post
was written by none other than Jayne). They weren't posted in
soc.men. We read them in SMM and just made fun of them over here.
Without the AUK cross posting garbage (which is something Jayne had a
hand in leaving here in soc.men); soc.men would still have far more
daily posts than SMM. Unless of course, Kathy and Mark were bickering
over the meaning of words (such as "bash") and as a result were
leaving dozens of posts unapproved in the queu every day.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
As yes, the " if this goes on " fallacy...
Math is hard. Talking Jayne...oops I meant Talking Barbie
Just because SMM had say 25 posts in the first 15 days of December
does NOT mean it will have 25 posts every 15 days that go by.
Considering the obvious fact that Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and
New Years Eve are all holidays falling within the next 15 days of
December, it is fair to conclude that those days might well provide
very few posts to SMM or soc.men or *any* newsgroup. SMM could just
as easily have 7 posts in the last 15 days of December. HTH.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group.
You are the *negative* example, right ?
LOL. It's like this episode of "I Love Lucy" where Lucy is so proud
because she was hired to write a chapter in a book about how to write
for publication. When the book finally came out her chapter was
titled, "Don't Let This Happen To You."
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
That should take about three seconds, sicne you learned NOTHING...
Twice: See " John Winsor ".
Don't forget PJR. <g>
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
News to me.
Post by Andre Lieven
No proof offered ? Cowshit fact free claim fails.
She don't need no stinkin' proof. Remember what she did with the
proof I supplied her upon her request?
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of course,
you know so little about it that you think that highly intelligent and
dedicated people are morons.
There's that high and mighty air of superiority tone again.
Post by Andre Lieven
Ah, so disagreeing with YOUR assessment of them makes one a moron.
No, that would be "bashing" (depending on what the word bashing means
at the moment). Jayne is from that polite newsgroup where no bashing
is allowed (again whatever the word bashing means at the moment).
Post by Andre Lieven
Thanks for so clearly PROVINg that you " learned " NOTHING... Parg.
I really think you are being insulting to Parg with that comparison.
I mean, Parg is an absolute idiot who really doesn't know what she's
saying.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
The main people who call them names are AUKers.
Indeed, and YOU chose one to moderate aukm&p.
Well, what do you expect? Remember how often Jayne told us she likes
AUKers? She is more or less their enabler.
Post by Andre Lieven
YOUR cluster fuck, YOUR *responsibility*; Take it like a MAN.
When has Jayne ever taken any true responsibility for the many
failures of SMM? Why would today be any different?
Post by Andre Lieven
Andre
Jill
2006-12-17 19:30:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ben
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
So just what exactly is a soc/men reg, then, if years of postings
supportive of men, boys, and fathers doesn't count?
During the 2nd RFD process for SMM approval last August I typed up a
long list of what was commonly thought to be soc.men regs. I don't
archive my posts so my list no longer exists in Google. It was a
fairly long and comprehensive list and I'm not going to try to
replicate it.

Needless to say, most of those on that list no longer post here. A
few of the oldest regulars that still do post in soc.men are Society,
Mark Sobelewski (Polish Knight), Andre Lieven, Deb Terreson, Masculist
(Tom Smith, Smitty), Mange (Pandora, Goddess, Marg Peterson), Parg
(Lefty Lu, Pargeon, Carol Ann Hemingway, Hyerdahl, etc.), and me.
This group has probably been posting continuously anywhere between 7
and 10 or more years.

IMO that doesn't mean that those posting less years are not regulars.
I consider MCP, Viking, Avenger, Heidi Graw, Denise Noe, and several
others to be regulars.

I would not consider Rob to be a soc.men regular because I don't
recall him posting here for a long period of time and since SMM has
gone online, he does most, if not all, of his posting there.

That is somewhat true of you as well (with the exception of your
exchanges here with Parg). I consider you to be mostly a SMM regular
now. Ditto for Dustbin.

I meant no offense to you in what I posted originally. Nor did I mean
to imply that your posts don't count. Of course they do.

However, that core list of the oldest regs I mentioned above, do not
post in SMM. Society hasn't. Mark S. did during the SMM process but
not since. Andre may have posted there once or so but I don't
actually recall that happening. Tom (Masculist) did briefly until PJR
did his meltdown thing. I may have posted there more often than
everyone else on the short list but that pretty much ended after the
PJR fiasco. Marg and Parg do not post there nor does Deb Terreson.
That is what I was referring to specifically when I said soc.men regs
don't post in SMM.
krp
2006-12-17 19:50:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Ben
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
So just what exactly is a soc/men reg, then, if years of postings
supportive of men, boys, and fathers doesn't count?
During the 2nd RFD process for SMM approval last August I typed up a
long list of what was commonly thought to be soc.men regs. I don't
archive my posts so my list no longer exists in Google. It was a
fairly long and comprehensive list and I'm not going to try to
replicate it.
Needless to say, most of those on that list no longer post here. A
few of the oldest regulars that still do post in soc.men are Society,
Mark Sobelewski (Polish Knight), Andre Lieven, Deb Terreson, Masculist
(Tom Smith, Smitty), Mange (Pandora, Goddess, Marg Peterson), Parg
(Lefty Lu, Pargeon, Carol Ann Hemingway, Hyerdahl, etc.), and me.
This group has probably been posting continuously anywhere between 7
and 10 or more years.
IMO that doesn't mean that those posting less years are not regulars.
I consider MCP, Viking, Avenger, Heidi Graw, Denise Noe, and several
others to be regulars.
Me too maybe? Since I have posted here since 1996.
Ben
2006-12-17 20:39:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Ben
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
So just what exactly is a soc/men reg, then, if years of postings
supportive of men, boys, and fathers doesn't count?
During the 2nd RFD process for SMM approval last August I typed up a
long list of what was commonly thought to be soc.men regs. I don't
archive my posts so my list no longer exists in Google. It was a
fairly long and comprehensive list and I'm not going to try to
replicate it.
I don't recall your list specifically, but I have seen other lists of
soc.men regs on which I've been named. Different criteria for
different folks, I guess.
Post by Jill
Needless to say, most of those on that list no longer post here. A
few of the oldest regulars that still do post in soc.men are Society,
Mark Sobelewski (Polish Knight), Andre Lieven, Deb Terreson, Masculist
(Tom Smith, Smitty), Mange (Pandora, Goddess, Marg Peterson), Parg
(Lefty Lu, Pargeon, Carol Ann Hemingway, Hyerdahl, etc.), and me.
This group has probably been posting continuously anywhere between 7
and 10 or more years.
Ah...well, I've only got about 4.5 years.
Post by Jill
IMO that doesn't mean that those posting less years are not regulars.
I consider MCP, Viking, Avenger, Heidi Graw, Denise Noe, and several
others to be regulars.
I would not consider Rob to be a soc.men regular because I don't
recall him posting here for a long period of time and since SMM has
gone online, he does most, if not all, of his posting there.
That is somewhat true of you as well (with the exception of your
exchanges here with Parg). I consider you to be mostly a SMM regular
now. Ditto for Dustbin.
I meant no offense to you in what I posted originally. Nor did I mean
to imply that your posts don't count. Of course they do.
However, that core list of the oldest regs I mentioned above, do not
post in SMM. Society hasn't. Mark S. did during the SMM process but
not since. Andre may have posted there once or so but I don't
actually recall that happening. Tom (Masculist) did briefly until PJR
did his meltdown thing. I may have posted there more often than
everyone else on the short list but that pretty much ended after the
PJR fiasco. Marg and Parg do not post there nor does Deb Terreson.
That is what I was referring to specifically when I said soc.men regs
don't post in SMM.
I suspect that, ultimately, a definiton of a soc.men regular is going
to subjective and somewhat dependent upon what the person offering the
definition is trying to illustrate.

But no, I didn't take offense at your comments. I pretty much go where
I find interesting conversations and don't worry much about Usenet
group affiliations.
Andre Lieven
2006-12-18 01:08:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Ben
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
So just what exactly is a soc/men reg, then, if years of postings
supportive of men, boys, and fathers doesn't count?
During the 2nd RFD process for SMM approval last August I typed up a
long list of what was commonly thought to be soc.men regs. I don't
archive my posts so my list no longer exists in Google. It was a
fairly long and comprehensive list and I'm not going to try to
replicate it.
Needless to say, most of those on that list no longer post here. A
few of the oldest regulars that still do post in soc.men are Society,
Mark Sobelewski (Polish Knight), Andre Lieven, Deb Terreson, Masculist
(Tom Smith, Smitty), Mange (Pandora, Goddess, Marg Peterson), Parg
(Lefty Lu, Pargeon, Carol Ann Hemingway, Hyerdahl, etc.), and me.
This group has probably been posting continuously anywhere between 7
and 10 or more years.
IMO that doesn't mean that those posting less years are not regulars.
I consider MCP, Viking, Avenger, Heidi Graw, Denise Noe, and several
others to be regulars.
I would not consider Rob to be a soc.men regular because I don't
recall him posting here for a long period of time and since SMM has
gone online, he does most, if not all, of his posting there.
That is somewhat true of you as well (with the exception of your
exchanges here with Parg). I consider you to be mostly a SMM regular
now. Ditto for Dustbin.
I meant no offense to you in what I posted originally. Nor did I mean
to imply that your posts don't count. Of course they do.
However, that core list of the oldest regs I mentioned above, do not
post in SMM. Society hasn't. Mark S. did during the SMM process but
not since. Andre may have posted there once or so but I don't
actually recall that happening.
Theres a good reason you don't recall it; as its never happened.
I have never posted to alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite.
Post by Jill
Tom (Masculist) did briefly until PJR
did his meltdown thing. I may have posted there more often than
everyone else on the short list but that pretty much ended after the
PJR fiasco. Marg and Parg do not post there nor does Deb Terreson.
That is what I was referring to specifically when I said soc.men regs
don't post in SMM.
Yep.

Andre
Mark Borgerson
2006-12-25 04:16:00 UTC
Permalink
In article <em4pmf$hah$***@theodyn.ncf.ca>, ***@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
says...
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Jill
Post by Ben
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
So just what exactly is a soc/men reg, then, if years of postings
supportive of men, boys, and fathers doesn't count?
During the 2nd RFD process for SMM approval last August I typed up a
long list of what was commonly thought to be soc.men regs. I don't
archive my posts so my list no longer exists in Google. It was a
fairly long and comprehensive list and I'm not going to try to
replicate it.
Needless to say, most of those on that list no longer post here. A
few of the oldest regulars that still do post in soc.men are Society,
Mark Sobelewski (Polish Knight), Andre Lieven, Deb Terreson, Masculist
(Tom Smith, Smitty), Mange (Pandora, Goddess, Marg Peterson), Parg
(Lefty Lu, Pargeon, Carol Ann Hemingway, Hyerdahl, etc.), and me.
This group has probably been posting continuously anywhere between 7
and 10 or more years.
IMO that doesn't mean that those posting less years are not regulars.
I consider MCP, Viking, Avenger, Heidi Graw, Denise Noe, and several
others to be regulars.
I would not consider Rob to be a soc.men regular because I don't
recall him posting here for a long period of time and since SMM has
gone online, he does most, if not all, of his posting there.
That is somewhat true of you as well (with the exception of your
exchanges here with Parg). I consider you to be mostly a SMM regular
now. Ditto for Dustbin.
I meant no offense to you in what I posted originally. Nor did I mean
to imply that your posts don't count. Of course they do.
However, that core list of the oldest regs I mentioned above, do not
post in SMM. Society hasn't. Mark S. did during the SMM process but
not since. Andre may have posted there once or so but I don't
actually recall that happening.
Theres a good reason you don't recall it; as its never happened.
I have never posted to alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite.
Andre is either:

1. lying.
2. Has a short memory
3. Has been expertly forged.

Any of the above should be a good indication of the credibility of
any post appearing under his name.

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From the soc.men.moderated archive on giganews from
9/18/2005 at 2:18pm

Subject: Re: To be a man
From: ***@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
Newsgroups: soc.men.moderated
Post by Andre Lieven
[...]
Post by Jill
Post by Ben
The charter forbids gender-based bashing.
Then the charter needs to be changed or I'm outa here.
[...]
As a person who wrote the charter and worked to have this newsgroup
approved with that charter, I object to you trying to change it. I also
object to you volunteering to be a moderator of this group while
disagreeing with its charter. The moderator's job is to uphold the
charter. A person who thinks the charter is wrong should not have that
position.
Too bad, once the group got started, your say is exactly that of
any other non-moderator's. Zero.

" You're a liberated woman. Learn to lose. " Danny DeVito, " Other
People's Money ".

Andre

********************************************************************

Mark Borgerson
Jayne Kulikauskas
2006-12-26 01:46:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Borgerson
says...
[...]
Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Andre Lieven
Theres a good reason you don't recall it; as its never happened.
I have never posted to alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite.
1. lying.
2. Has a short memory
3. Has been expertly forged.
[...]

I'm sure that Andre would not deliberately lie. He could easily have
forgotten making just one post and I'm sure that is what happened. It just
seems too unlikely that it was a forgery.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated.
If your news provider doesn't carry it, ask.
Now available on Google:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men.moderated?lnk=srg&hl=en
pandora
2006-12-26 23:29:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Mark Borgerson
says...
[...]
Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Andre Lieven
Theres a good reason you don't recall it; as its never happened.
I have never posted to alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite.
1. lying.
2. Has a short memory
3. Has been expertly forged.
[...]
I'm sure that Andre would not deliberately lie.
Riiiiight. Andre is the epitome of integrity. Sheesh!

He could easily have
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
forgotten making just one post and I'm sure that is what happened. It just
seems too unlikely that it was a forgery.
Is that the excuse you think he would prefer to use? I mean, perhaps he's
got ahlzheimers. That would explain his *forgetting*.

CWQ
Jayne Kulikauskas
2006-12-27 00:51:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by pandora
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Mark Borgerson
says...
[...]
Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Andre Lieven
Theres a good reason you don't recall it; as its never happened.
I have never posted to alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite.
1. lying.
2. Has a short memory
3. Has been expertly forged.
[...]
I'm sure that Andre would not deliberately lie.
Riiiiight. Andre is the epitome of integrity. Sheesh!
I have never known him to lie. Besides, he isn't stupid and he would
have to be pretty stupid to lie about something where it could be so
easily proven he was lying.
Post by pandora
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
He could easily have
forgotten making just one post and I'm sure that is what happened. It just
seems too unlikely that it was a forgery.
Is that the excuse you think he would prefer to use?
It has nothing to do with his preferences. I have not exactly been in
the Andre-pleasing business lately. I wrote it because that is what I
think.
Post by pandora
I mean, perhaps he's
got ahlzheimers. That would explain his *forgetting*.
I don't have Ahlzheimers and I don't remember every single post that I
have ever made. And I post less than Andre does. Human memory is
imperfect.

Jayne
pandora
2006-12-27 01:08:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by pandora
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Mark Borgerson
says...
[...]
Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Andre Lieven
Theres a good reason you don't recall it; as its never happened.
I have never posted to alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite.
1. lying.
2. Has a short memory
3. Has been expertly forged.
[...]
I'm sure that Andre would not deliberately lie.
Riiiiight. Andre is the epitome of integrity. Sheesh!
I have never known him to lie. Besides, he isn't stupid and he would
have to be pretty stupid to lie about something where it could be so
easily proven he was lying.
Post by pandora
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
He could easily have
forgotten making just one post and I'm sure that is what happened. It just
seems too unlikely that it was a forgery.
Is that the excuse you think he would prefer to use?
It has nothing to do with his preferences. I have not exactly been in
the Andre-pleasing business lately. I wrote it because that is what I
think.
Post by pandora
I mean, perhaps he's
got ahlzheimers. That would explain his *forgetting*.
I don't have Ahlzheimers and I don't remember every single post that I
have ever made. And I post less than Andre does. Human memory is
imperfect.
Ah, excuses for Andre's misogynistic posts; he forgot about making them.
Got it.

CWQ
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Jayne
Mark Borgerson
2006-12-25 03:38:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
LOL. I don't agree that Jayne returns here for male attention. I
think she comes back here trying to drum up more participants for SMM.
While she has Dustbin, Rob, and Ben posting over there, she has yet to
have one soc.men regular post there on a even semi-regular basis.
Of course she'll claim Borgerson is a soc.men reg again never mind how
often that one was already debunked and she'll probably maintain the
handful of pitiful AUKers that post in SMM are also from soc.men, but
the truth is no soc.men regular has as of yet embraced that
"wonderful" newsgroup Jayne built just for them (ahem).
So the status of 'soc.men.regular' is something only you can confer?
It has nothing to do with posting history?
Post by Jill
As time goes on interest about SMM continues to fall off dramatically
in soc.men and as a result its almost as though she feels she has to
pop in with some stupid SMM announcement just to let us know its still
alive and kicking (barely).
Hey, it got you to post on the subject. I guess interest hasn't fallen
off THAT dramatically! ;-)
<<SNIP>>

Mark Borgerson
Jayne Kulikauskas
2006-12-26 01:09:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Jill
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
There seems to be an assumption in this that I want to leave soc.men but
can't. I don't see why anyone should assume this about me. I certainly
have never posted anything to suggest that I did not want to participate
here or that I resent that only a handful of soc.men regs are also posting
to SMM. I am not really a "flounce off in a huff" kind of person. <g>

For the record, I am still subscribed to soc.men and lurk here on an almost
daily basis. There are two main factors for why I rarely post. One is
that I have a limited amount of time for Usenet and have other groups that
I post to more often now. The other is that a large proportion of threads
here are about proving how wrong and poorly informed Hyerdahl and similar
posters are. I just don't find it very challenging to participate in
something so obvious, although I must admit taking pleasure in seeing how
well-constructed some of the arguments against them are. Even so, Hyerdahl
and her ilk being wrong is just not something that I can get very excited
about. I have come to take it for granted.

And I am definitely not resentful that some men would prefer not to use a
moderated newsgroup. I knew going in that this was going to be a choice of
many soc.men regulars and even included a line in the SMM RFD about the
importance of an unmoderated forum coexisting with it so that people would
always have a choice about which kind of group to use. It says:
"the freedoms of soc.men will remain intact for those who prefer the
openness of an unmoderated group."

I wanted to create a moderated group for discussing men's issues so that
people could have a choice. Some prefer the advantages and disadvantages
of an unmoderated group. Some prefer the advantages and disadvantages of a
moderated group. And some people like to use both. I am happy that all
these options are now available.

[...]
Post by Mark Borgerson
Post by Jill
As time goes on interest about SMM continues to fall off dramatically
in soc.men and as a result its almost as though she feels she has to
pop in with some stupid SMM announcement just to let us know its still
alive and kicking (barely).
I'm not sure about interest in soc.men but SMM is doing better than it ever
has now that Google is carrying it. We are seeing new posters coming and
becoming regular participants and the overall number of posts has greatly
increased.
Post by Mark Borgerson
Hey, it got you to post on the subject. I guess interest hasn't fallen
off THAT dramatically! ;-)
Considering that this thread was initiated by Dustbin in November, revived
by Masculist in December, and both posts had numerous follow-ups, there
still seems to be some interest.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated.
If your news provider doesn't carry it, ask.
Now available on Google:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men.moderated?lnk=srg&hl=en
Turin
2006-12-16 21:00:00 UTC
Permalink
This is probably the most openly political feud I've ever
seen in this group. Being that Andre and Jayne were
supposedly friends IRL, I thought that even the PJR betrayal
would blow over in time.

But, it's as bitter now as it was before, and there still
isn't one valid ideological reason for it. It's all who is
friends with who.
Post by Andre Lieven
We'll note, for starters, that poor widdle jayne CANNOT leave this newsgroup,
that " evilly " refused to support her bid to form
alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite, and now, keeps coming BACK because she
craves the male attention that she CANNOT get over there.
Jayne; Parg, same difference...
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
[...]
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in
the month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
Like crap about " shams " ?
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
As yes, the " if this goes on " fallacy...
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW Jayne
what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group.
You are the *negative* example, right ?
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
That should take about three seconds, sicne you learned NOTHING...
Twice: See " John Winsor ".
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
No proof offered ? Cowshit fact free claim fails.
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of course,
you know so little about it that you think that highly intelligent and
dedicated people are morons.
Ah, so disagreeing with YOUR assessment of them makes one a moron.
Thanks for so clearly PROVINg that you " learned " NOTHING... Parg.
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
The main people who call them names are AUKers.
Indeed, and YOU chose one to moderate aukm&p.
YOUR cluster fuck, YOUR *responsibility*; Take it like a MAN.
Andre
- - -

This has been another enlightening moment, with:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----
Raving
2006-12-16 18:56:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group. I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
[snip]
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
Don't make the mistake of ignoring the group of which you are a
proponent.
krp
2006-12-17 11:02:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Many people participate in Usenet groups without signing up as Google group
members. (I assume that is what you mean by "members".) According to the
Google stats, there have been 25 recent posters to SMM and 260 posts in the
month of December which is when Google began carrying it.
Jayne GET A LIFE! That covers maybe 15 minutes on almost any day on THIS
newsgroup!
Sure, if you count cross-post garbage.
And 20 minutes if you don't!
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW! 25 posters! WOW Jayne! TWENTY FIVE over a MONTH!
Actually, when I wrote that only half a month had passed in December, so
one needs to double the number to extrapolate a monthly rate.
Jayne - horse shit. It's a WASTELAND and everyone knows it!
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
WOW Jayne what an accomplishment. And now I hear you want to start yet
ANOTHER
newsgroup?
You misunderstand. I am acting as a mentor for some people who wish to
start a group. I am taking what I learned from my experiences as a
proponent and sharing it with them.
Your "GREAT SUCCESS" eh Jayne?
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
You've had SUCH success with SMM!
I had sufficient success to get it created. Of course, I made mistakes
too. I have learned from them.
No Jayne - you haven't, and neither has Tim and the HUGE 8.
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by krp
Timmy and the other 7 MORONS will help you!
There are now more than 8 people on the Big 8 Management Board. Of
course, you know so little about it that you think that highly
intelligent and
dedicated people are morons. The main people who call them names are
AUKers.
Jayne that they fell for your shit and created SMM seals their title.
krp
2006-12-15 23:22:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Masculist
Post by krp
Post by Stormy
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt,
Guess again. You read too much Moore.
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>
At BEST "Stormy" is a sock puppet. IN all actuality there is a 99%
probability it is TEDDY MEYER himself rushing to his own aid to make it seem
like he actually HAS "A" supporter!
Post by Masculist
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Jayne is trolling for new moderators again! Now she wants to form yet
ANOTHER newsgroup. One ABORTION should be enough in her lifetime.
But then the IDIOTS in the GIGANTIC 8 are lining up for yet another fiasco!
Turin
2006-12-15 23:29:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Masculist
Post by krp
Post by Stormy
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt,
Guess again. You read too much Moore.
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Smitty
For those who aren't familiar with "Tom Smith", "Smitty", "Qim",
"Masculist", etc., Thomas is a mentally ill, homeless liberal who is
addicted to street drugs, sleeps in a park and typically logs onto the
Internet from UCSB.

Tom is known mainly as a schizophrenic who takes wildly contradictory
positions on "leftism" (and just about anything else), as well as
making even more wild accusations against people online. He's a
deadbeat dad, an ex "punk" prison con, and a lifelong substance abuser.
Most of his personal problems (both, on and offline) stem from his
abuse of drugs and alcohol.


Tom doesn't have any real understanding of leftism, or politics in
general. Least of all, of Men's Rights. (He's a lifelong feminist).
He isn't genuinely hostile toward women's issues, or even toward gays
as he pretends to be.

It's tempting at first to put him into the quaint category of the
"little man with a pet theory, minus any actual knowledge". However,
the truth is a little more complex. Essentially, Tom has a
deteriorating condition and simply isn't responsible for a lot of the
things that he says.

Tom did use to be involved in what passes for left-wing politics in the
U.S. He was employed in some social make-work programs, designed to
help work-release patients, like himself. When the funding for such
jobs fizzled out, Tom found himself unemployed and his marriage, to his
fellow drug addicted wife, on the rocks. As is typical in U.S. society,
while Tom did 2-3 years for dealing drugs, his wife did none at all.
Their two kids have suffered the psychological damage of having such
parents. From there, Tom's whole life fell apart. That might be said
to have been the start of Tom's "involvement" in Men's Issues.


Further information on Tom's alleged relationship to the Men's movement
can be found in the amusing-but-true FAQ below, along with a more
detailed profile on his disruption tactics and his dissociative
identity disorder. Special thanks to all those who contributed to this
project.






TOM SMITH
---------
Dipylidium Caninum

by Yuno Hu



Intro:


Who or "what" is Tom Smith?

Tom smith is a psychiatrically disturbed troll who engages in false
accusations against people he doesn't know, group disruptions and
communication jamming in general. His closest ideology is that of
women's rights; though, his trolling activities are generally done out
of a need for personal attention.

However, in an effort to establish some credibility for his disruptions
in Men's Groups - where he tries to peddle most of his phony tales of
woe - he casts himself as something which he calls a "Masculist", with
himself as the president of it's beer-muddled ideology and the wearer
of it's largest paper hat. As his victim, it inevitably falls to you
to make sense out of his confused and contradictory statements, and
thereby to supply therapy and meaning to his ruined life.


What Thomas's brand of "masculism" actually is, is merely the usual
reactionaryism of male feminists that was written by go-with-the-flow
corporate-liberal types. It's known as gender role playing and is
highly adaptable to every bourgeois political fad that comes along.
Most utilize the technique as their core ideology and embellish it with
their own personal group's identity and style, in the same way that MP3
players utilize "skins". Tom's added twist to the idea is a bit of
band-aid liberalism (that is, when he's not back-pedaling from his
positions), and a whole lot of folksy personality.

That's it. You now have a Ph.D. in "masculism".


Of course, the Men's Movement has long been plagued by half-way
liberalisms, such as masculism, that are (still being) constantly
repackaged to address a Man's heartburn, but not His RIGHTS. They are
counter-insurgencies which seek to redirect the Men's Movement into
serving the woman's agenda. Tom Smith, himself, is basically just
another loud-mouthed servant who enjoys the taste of (a woman's) shit
but goes running to the Men's Movement for protection whenever she
starts becoming too abusive to him.

Those of us who are veterans in the Movement, who are carrying too many
battle scars but not enough victories under our belts (or, laurels in
our crowns ...as case may be), just don't have the luxury anymore of
promoting the self-aggrandizing spoiled little boy types, like Warren
Farrell and Glenn Sacks. Or, the loudmouthed little assholes like Ken
Pangborn. Then, there's the Tom Smith category.


In Tom's case, his made up masculism is also a crutch for someone who's
been left out of the left wing movement - where he found acceptance at
an earlier point in his life. It was a time when the white-trash
demographic, frankly, had a more prominent role in the U.S. Democratic
party, before being abandoned in favor of women and blacks.

Most of Tom's few, laughable allies are from overseas, where there is
still a relatively meaningful labor party. Unfortunately, they tend to
be the lowest of the lot: crude, ignorant, and sanctimoniously
hypocritical as well as obtuse on the father's issue. A political
orphan (if not an abandoned schizophrenic), Tom just doesn't know who
he is anymore.


The problem is that Tom doesn't think that anyone else knows who he is,
either. That being so, his primary tactic is changing positions. His
methods are lying, making up facts, pet theorizing, soundbiting, and
waffling as a supposed moderate - your basic baiting-switching,
passive-aggressive behavior. You can't get a dime's worth of
intelligent conversation out of the old asshole.

In fact, while all of the information contained in this profile on him
is based on claims of his own about himself, it's an additional
obstruction of his to claim that the facts have been made up; thereby,
constantly refueling pointless debates. This amounts to simply one
more ruse for keeping the real debates clogged up with personality
wars, and so in keeping Tom's personal disease well fed and thriving.


Until the University of California, Santa Barbara either pulls the plug
on poor Tom, or stops offering public Internet access, it's going to be
up to the Men's Advocate to either ignore Thomas's trolling or to
prepare himself to debate nonsense by understanding who Tom is and his
own stated background. In either case, a portrait of an asshole helps
to make an informed decision.



----------------------------------------------------------------



The Story:


Careerwise, when Tom was young, he did two to three traumatic years in
prison for selling drugs. Later, he reformed himself by becoming some
low grade "facilitator" for autistics. From that, he pretends to have
been a pioneer in the field. (Autistics who are familiar with him have
laughed at this.)

Today, he lives on the street as a deadbeat dad. Using public
computers, he attempts to take over discussion groups in little coups,
using calculated disruptions which he believes can be leveraged into
media attention as the magic cure for getting justice. This
self-centered little fantasy is actually a common technique employed by
the deadbeats. Most online groups are aware of some of these
characters and have had enough of them, along with their little Yahoo
empires. (1)

Where Tom's great, half-assed awakening to Men's Issues is concerned,
he claims to have always been an activist. No doubt this was true in
the under-my-breath, grumbling sort of way in which most men also are
"activists". But, piecing together his various bullshit stories, it's
obvious that he never was a Men's Advocate at all until his divorce
happened to him. And, he still isn't.

Tom ran to Men's Advocacy as a last recourse after him and his wife,
together, fucked up his life and he found himself having to pay her
"child" support, with no job. Tom, however, is a typical coward who is
too conveniently cynical to support Men's Rights (he doesn't need that
"faggy" shit, he's a MAN), too feminist to put his "sexism" where his
mouth is, and too "moral" to admit that it's not for his kids' sake
that he wants his life back.

To be fair, the father's movement as a whole has never been able to
work with the Men's Movement. It's not just assholes, like Tom. The
father's movement is just too isolationist, too pompous, too castrated,
too stupid and too easily taken advantage of by exploiters (like Ken
Pangborn) to accomplish anything, even on a good day.


What plainly happened with Tom was that (at a time when he was busy
playing the typical hypocritical liberal, with the money, the house,
and the career - for whatever brief period that he had it) he was
stupid enough to ignore the plain realities of today and entered into a
pseudo-traditional marriage, despite the fact that he's always been a
liberal. He wanted to play a redundant male to a redundant, worthless
bitch with no job. For these guys, playing a hollow role is easier
than playing a real one, and more satisfying.

What predictably happened to our pseudo-patriarch of the easy chair was
that the bitch ended up throwing him into the garbage bin of divorce.
Their marriage wasn't based on anything real - only, role playing.
Sooo...

Since, in the 20th century, there was no butter for her to churn, no
clothes for her to make, no nearby stream for her to wash them in, no
meals for her to make from scratch, and - in a word - no WORK for her
to do, which otherwise would have resulted in poverty, disease and
mortality if it hadn't gotten done, then there were also none of those
effective counterbalances (that Tom's type likes to talk about) in
place to stop her from choosing the otherwise option. (2)

...She then proceeded to enjoy the kind of life that a piece of shit
like her can have today by fucking other men in his house and partying
on while he was enjoying the outdoors.


In Tom's anger, he discovered the Men's Movement. But, because he
discovered it only to the extent that the issues affected him in his
own little world - and refused to acknowledge any issue which didn't
affect him personally and directly - he's had about as much success as
most of the so-called fathers' rights groups and clowns who he's
gravitated toward. Therefore, refusing to be ideological has not only
cost him his integrity, it's made him into a bum as well.


Any basic Men's Advocate would have known that this was a formula for
disaster. However, Tom is one of these Joe Average fuckers of
mediocrity who are losing their power in today's world - except, Tom's
also worked for the feminists and has learned to pimp for them.

These simpletons don't think from day to day, and don't care. They're
more arrogant than the rich and more demanding than the poor. They
coast through life by becoming characters who blend into whatever
situation they come across. They have total confidence in their
abilities to play situational politics over the rules, and that nothing
bad can happen to them. They write off principle as being something
not "worth" fighting about. The parts of their brains that handle
principle, as well as ethics and honesty, are so unused, that once it
becomes possible to interface grey matter with computers - lying sacks
of shit that they are - they're going to be able to utilize those parts
as external hard drives with no other adverse effect. Most Men's
Activists have utter contempt for them.


Naturally, hen-pecked assholes, like Tom, still don't want to accept
the fact that half-way measures are actually the whole problem. They
prefer the chivalrously popular cop-out of blaming women's behavior on
government, and according them rights without responsibilities.
There's a nice way to play safe politics. Instead of holding these
women to equality, they shortchange themselves as Men wherever
possible. Then, when the women become unaccountable monsters, and the
extortion of divorce hits, the jellyspines feign shock and blame
communism. Bravo.


Essentially, these hicks can't cope in today's world because they don't
understand it anymore. So, they fall back onto a half-assed, nostalgic
definition of a nuclear family: a wife stays home to raise kids, yet
has equal rights and answers only to herself. Huh? Those are the old
days? Meanwhile, "man" strategically learns to duck the head. He is
allowed either to watch TV or to fix a car in a garage.

This version of patriarchy is always highly sketchy in details, but
whenever you're given any it's evident that the men in it are the ones
who are accountable (to women). It's a successful revision job,
compliments of the women's movement. Such is the source and font of
all that Tom thinketh. Woe is we.



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Conclusion:

Tom is your basic conforming/collaborating male feminist, who not only
still hasn't learned that it's over for him and his type, but has paid
the price for it mentally and physically. While "pussy" or
"pussywhipped" may or may not be the closest label to slap onto crazy
old Tom, in explaining his fucked up, dishonest life ...they certainly
do qualify as a couple of clear choices.


The best thing that you, as a Men's Activist, can do about the whole
lot is to expose them (which, will usually end their games fast, as
well). Do this by fighting for Equality for Men, and to bring female
abusers of equality to justice, for a change. Refute their phony
Darwinian "good old days" nostalgia.

True equality is as anathema to a male feminist as a cross is to a
vampire. His safety is in niches and in defending the women's cause
from "militants" in the Men's Movement. The scumbag will then always
either divert the issue back into the woman's agenda, or run like the
coward he is.


Tom should be an object lesson - to all of us - as to the limited power
of playing moderate politics

...and of BULLSHIT.




Footnotes:
---------

(1) Those who are familiar with another sleazy character, by the name
of Ken Pangborn, can remember some of his own famous flame wars, which
he has waged over every Internet protocol that he has ever become
familiar with. The difference between someone like Ken and others like
Tom is that Ken is one of the rich little daddy's boys who never had to
suffer the raw end of divorce discrimination. It's well not to confuse
the two types because they behave differently, and with somewhat
different motives.


(2) There's a point worth noting here. Most bourgeois Men's Forums
love to cast this type of scenario as a struggle between capitalism
(patriarchy) and communism ("wymmin's movement"). They believe that,
in identifying anyone that they don't like with commies (in this case,
the women's movement), they're making a brilliant strategic move and
putting the opposition's back up against the wall. Problem is, this
was obviously capitalism feeding on itself. Strawman argument.
Strawman solution.

Of course, when the actual FACTS are shoved into their STUPID faces and
they can't PRETEND that this happens outside of a CAPITALIST system,
they quickly get into hairsplitting by turning the focus of their pet
theory against mere cultural influences. (I.e. attitudes and
education). But, the source is still always revealed to be capitalism,
including "da market". It's still a strawman argument.

The point here isn't simply that if Tom's ex-wife had been a
full-fledged Marxist of the mouth, then she would still have been
living a capitalist life, and still a feminist, and therefore it should
behoove us to note the correlation. It's also to note the cause and
effect.

It was CAPITALISM that removed all of those quaint little mechanisms
from the picture of Tom's marriage. You know: The ones that
supposedly are so integral to the structure of the "nuclear" family
...whenever you read a little history of the world from one of these
Morons-with-a-capital-M. She no longer NEEDED him for actual
tooth-and-nail, law-of-the-jungle "SURVIVAL". He was redundant to her
in that respect. So was she to him, as far as ironing his loincloth.

Nor, can one say that candy-ass American "socialism" was the temptation
that lured Mrs. Smith to destroy the marriage with welfare as a safety
net, because materialism had to break down the necessity of their
old-world roles to each other, FIRST, before the temptation could have
effect. Especially, if idiots want to argue that socialism parasites
off of capitalism.

THAT'S why it's a strawman to recommend survivalism as the glue that
binds families together and then in the next breath to recommend the
1950's. Sure, life at that time may still have been somewhat tough
following the Great Depression (for all you dorky Joe and Sue
Middle-class Republicans out there, that would be when free market
capitalism FAILED ...until the welfare state bailed out the country
-God Bless FDR), but the U.S. was pretty much past those decades by
then - which is a given reason by it's retarded advocates for
recommending it. It's especially fallacious to claim all of that and
then chant the mantra that the problem with feminism is that it wants
to return us to primitive living conditions. Well, Which is it? Is
the physical struggle for survival good or bad for marriage?

Capitalism vs. Marxism is a separate issue, and the integrity of "da
family" is a red herring. If anything, Men are returned to their old
roles in a Marxist system, while the women WORK for their equality -
instead of lazing around, insulting Men and using their own resources
against them. Meanwhile, males under capitalist regimes take out the
garbage, are abused by all females, use self-deprecating humor, and are
arrested and imprisoned for the slightest physical or verbal "abuses"
of females - including their wives and including the marital right. It
is the men under the capitalist regime who don't measure up to the
survival standard, and it is the weak capitalist male who protests the
loudest about "men being men and women being women".

-- T.T.
krp
2006-12-16 15:16:31 UTC
Permalink
TURDBRAIN TURAM a/k/a/ TEDDY MEYER
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Smitty
TYPICAL TURDBRAIN TURAM ATTACK ON PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO DOING ANYTHING
CONCRETE HIMSELF
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
For those who aren't familiar with "Tom Smith", "Smitty", "Qim",
"Masculist", etc., Thomas is a mentally ill, homeless liberal who is
addicted to street drugs, sleeps in a park and typically logs onto the
Internet from UCSB.
You are accusing Tom of YOUR life story Teddy!
Post by Turin
Tom smith is a psychiatrically disturbed troll who engages in false
accusations against people he doesn't know, group disruptions and
communication jamming in general. His closest ideology is that of
women's rights; though, his trolling activities are generally done out
of a need for personal attention.
You are the one making false allegations Turdbrain! YOU are the one
attacking all men's rights activists who, unlike you, have long and
distinuished track records of ACCOMPLISHMENTS! Men who have got laws
enacted, helped win cases that created the path for MEN to have real lives.
YOU being the fukking MORON you are Meyer - don't know that there was a
time in the United States where MEN (and not women) were not allowed to
remarry without their ex wife's permission and a order from the court! You
are so fukking clueless you have NO idea who helped fight that to get that
law (in 37 states) ruled unconstitutional! What have you done? Other then to
be an ugly asshole on usenet whose entire ideology is merely to hurt women!
Post by Turin
Those of us who are veterans in the Movement, who are carrying too many
battle scars but not enough victories under our belts (or, laurels in
our crowns ...as case may be), just don't have the luxury anymore of
promoting the self-aggrandizing spoiled little boy types, like Warren
Farrell and Glenn Sacks. Or, the loudmouthed little assholes like Ken
Pangborn. Then, there's the Tom Smith category.
What fukking "veteran" of the movement? YOU Teddy? HORSE SHIT! You have
NO part in ANY of the movement. You've never done anything except bitch
about women and curse at anyoen who doesn't join in your INSANE anger at the
female gender. Of course I understand your botterness because you have never
had the love of a woman and in all probability you NEVER WILL!
Post by Turin
(1) Those who are familiar with another sleazy character, by the name
of Ken Pangborn, can remember some of his own famous flame wars, which
he has waged over every Internet protocol that he has ever become
familiar with. The difference between someone like Ken and others like
Tom is that Ken is one of the rich little daddy's boys who never had to
suffer the raw end of divorce discrimination. It's well not to confuse
the two types because they behave differently, and with somewhat
different motives.
I have "waged" the flame war Turdbrain? It's been YOU and your buddy
MOORE who have done that. I've merely tried to defend myself against the
bullshit you two can make up. Rich? Me? Didn't you just claim I was
bankrupt??
Masculist
2006-12-16 21:50:19 UTC
Permalink
Thanks for defending my honor Ken, but no one reads his spam libel on
me anyway. Ignor it.

Turin, when are you going to start talking to Marx here? I hear the
feminists cut off his balls and are letting him out of his cage now and
then.

Smitty
Post by krp
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
SmittyTYPICAL TURDBRAIN TURAM ATTACK ON PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO DOING ANYTHING
CONCRETE HIMSELF
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
For those who aren't familiar with "Tom Smith", "Smitty", "Qim",
"Masculist", etc., Thomas is a mentally ill, homeless liberal who is
addicted to street drugs, sleeps in a park and typically logs onto the
Internet from UCSB. You are accusing Tom of YOUR life story Teddy!
Tom smith is a psychiatrically disturbed troll who engages in false
accusations against people he doesn't know, group disruptions and
communication jamming in general. His closest ideology is that of
women's rights; though, his trolling activities are generally done out
of a need for personal attention. You are the one making false allegations Turdbrain! YOU are the one
attacking all men's rights activists who, unlike you, have long and
distinuished track records of ACCOMPLISHMENTS! Men who have got laws
enacted, helped win cases that created the path for MEN to have real lives.
YOU being the fukking MORON you are Meyer - don't know that there was a
time in the United States where MEN (and not women) were not allowed to
remarry without their ex wife's permission and a order from the court! You
are so fukking clueless you have NO idea who helped fight that to get that
law (in 37 states) ruled unconstitutional! What have you done? Other then to
be an ugly asshole on usenet whose entire ideology is merely to hurt women!
Post by Turin
Those of us who are veterans in the Movement, who are carrying too many
battle scars but not enough victories under our belts (or, laurels in
our crowns ...as case may be), just don't have the luxury anymore of
promoting the self-aggrandizing spoiled little boy types, like Warren
Farrell and Glenn Sacks. Or, the loudmouthed little assholes like Ken
Pangborn. Then, there's the Tom Smith category. What fukking "veteran" of the movement? YOU Teddy? HORSE SHIT! You have
NO part in ANY of the movement. You've never done anything except bitch
about women and curse at anyoen who doesn't join in your INSANE anger at the
female gender. Of course I understand your botterness because you have never
had the love of a woman and in all probability you NEVER WILL!
Post by Turin
(1) Those who are familiar with another sleazy character, by the name
of Ken Pangborn, can remember some of his own famous flame wars, which
he has waged over every Internet protocol that he has ever become
familiar with. The difference between someone like Ken and others like
Tom is that Ken is one of the rich little daddy's boys who never had to
suffer the raw end of divorce discrimination. It's well not to confuse
the two types because they behave differently, and with somewhat
different motives. I have "waged" the flame war Turdbrain? It's been YOU and your buddy
MOORE who have done that. I've merely tried to defend myself against the
bullshit you two can make up. Rich? Me? Didn't you just claim I was
bankrupt??
krp
2006-12-17 10:59:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Masculist
Thanks for defending my honor Ken, but no one reads his spam libel on
me anyway. Ignor it.
Teddy (Turdbrain Turam) is an angry twit. He hates women because he
can't get one. Given how he thinks, is it any wonder? He hates me because he
knows I have had at least 3 women (married). Of course I won't tell
Turdbrain that when I was a young rooster after high school and until I had
my first marriage I managed to get lots of women. I was a "Bad Boy" into my
early 20's. Glad that era was safe from STD's.........

Teddy's thinking is that he only wants to hurt women. I think because so
many have hurt him by laughing at his advances.

His latest shit is to openly embrace Marxism. If you look at Teddy's
life - it makes sense he's go to Marxism because he cannot make it in a
capitalist system where "ability" has the rewards. He has to support a
system where losers can get a free ride on the labors of others. That's the
whole premise of Communism and Socialism and why its great support comes
from losers like Teddy.

Why does he attack you and every other men's advocate? One word.
JEALOUSY! He's a loser, he knows it, so he attacks everyone who is actually
DOING anything because in that way people may not pay attention to
Turdbrain's stunning LACK of life accomplishments.
t***@cotse.net
2006-12-17 15:53:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Masculist
Thanks for defending my honor Ken, but no one reads his spam libel on
me anyway. Ignor it.
Teddy (Turdbrain Turam) is an angry twit. He hates women because he
can't get one.

Hey there, lying fucktard. There is a picture of Turin on his web
site kissing a beautiful woman and it looks like they are both enjoying
themselves. That shoots your lie-of-the-hour to shit now, doesn't it.
roflmao! Turin speaks the truth, something you couldn't possibly
understand, freak.
krp
2006-12-17 18:46:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Masculist
Thanks for defending my honor Ken, but no one reads his spam libel on
me anyway. Ignor it.
Teddy (Turdbrain Turam) is an angry twit. He hates women because he can't
get one.
Hey there, lying fucktard. There is a picture of Turin on his web
site kissing a beautiful woman and it looks like they are both enjoying
themselves.
BULLSHIT! No woman would kiss him without somebody holding a flame thrower
up her ass!
Stormy
2006-12-16 22:38:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Post by krp
Post by Stormy
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt,
Guess again. You read too much Moore.
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Smitty
For those who aren't familiar with "Tom Smith", "Smitty", "Qim",
"Masculist", etc., Thomas is a mentally ill, homeless liberal who is
addicted to street drugs, sleeps in a park and typically logs onto the
Internet from UCSB.
Tom is known mainly as a schizophrenic who takes wildly contradictory
positions on "leftism" (and just about anything else), as well as
making even more wild accusations against people online. He's a
deadbeat dad, an ex "punk" prison con, and a lifelong substance abuser.
Most of his personal problems (both, on and offline) stem from his
abuse of drugs and alcohol.
Tom doesn't have any real understanding of leftism, or politics in
general. Least of all, of Men's Rights. (He's a lifelong feminist).
He isn't genuinely hostile toward women's issues, or even toward gays
as he pretends to be.
It's tempting at first to put him into the quaint category of the
"little man with a pet theory, minus any actual knowledge". However,
the truth is a little more complex. Essentially, Tom has a
deteriorating condition and simply isn't responsible for a lot of the
things that he says.
Tom did use to be involved in what passes for left-wing politics in the
U.S. He was employed in some social make-work programs, designed to
help work-release patients, like himself. When the funding for such
jobs fizzled out, Tom found himself unemployed and his marriage, to his
fellow drug addicted wife, on the rocks. As is typical in U.S. society,
while Tom did 2-3 years for dealing drugs, his wife did none at all.
Their two kids have suffered the psychological damage of having such
parents. From there, Tom's whole life fell apart. That might be said
to have been the start of Tom's "involvement" in Men's Issues.
Further information on Tom's alleged relationship to the Men's movement
can be found in the amusing-but-true FAQ below, along with a more
detailed profile on his disruption tactics and his dissociative
identity disorder. Special thanks to all those who contributed to this
project.
TOM SMITH
---------
Dipylidium Caninum
by Yuno Hu
Who or "what" is Tom Smith?
Tom smith is a psychiatrically disturbed troll who engages in false
accusations against people he doesn't know, group disruptions and
communication jamming in general. His closest ideology is that of
women's rights; though, his trolling activities are generally done out
of a need for personal attention.
However, in an effort to establish some credibility for his disruptions
in Men's Groups - where he tries to peddle most of his phony tales of
woe - he casts himself as something which he calls a "Masculist", with
himself as the president of it's beer-muddled ideology and the wearer
of it's largest paper hat. As his victim, it inevitably falls to you
to make sense out of his confused and contradictory statements, and
thereby to supply therapy and meaning to his ruined life.
What Thomas's brand of "masculism" actually is, is merely the usual
reactionaryism of male feminists that was written by go-with-the-flow
corporate-liberal types. It's known as gender role playing and is
highly adaptable to every bourgeois political fad that comes along.
Most utilize the technique as their core ideology and embellish it with
their own personal group's identity and style, in the same way that MP3
players utilize "skins". Tom's added twist to the idea is a bit of
band-aid liberalism (that is, when he's not back-pedaling from his
positions), and a whole lot of folksy personality.
That's it. You now have a Ph.D. in "masculism".
Of course, the Men's Movement has long been plagued by half-way
liberalisms, such as masculism, that are (still being) constantly
repackaged to address a Man's heartburn, but not His RIGHTS. They are
counter-insurgencies which seek to redirect the Men's Movement into
serving the woman's agenda. Tom Smith, himself, is basically just
another loud-mouthed servant who enjoys the taste of (a woman's) shit
but goes running to the Men's Movement for protection whenever she
starts becoming too abusive to him.
Those of us who are veterans in the Movement, who are carrying too many
battle scars but not enough victories under our belts (or, laurels in
our crowns ...as case may be), just don't have the luxury anymore of
promoting the self-aggrandizing spoiled little boy types, like Warren
Farrell and Glenn Sacks. Or, the loudmouthed little assholes like Ken
Pangborn. Then, there's the Tom Smith category.
In Tom's case, his made up masculism is also a crutch for someone who's
been left out of the left wing movement - where he found acceptance at
an earlier point in his life. It was a time when the white-trash
demographic, frankly, had a more prominent role in the U.S. Democratic
party, before being abandoned in favor of women and blacks.
Most of Tom's few, laughable allies are from overseas, where there is
still a relatively meaningful labor party. Unfortunately, they tend to
be the lowest of the lot: crude, ignorant, and sanctimoniously
hypocritical as well as obtuse on the father's issue. A political
orphan (if not an abandoned schizophrenic), Tom just doesn't know who
he is anymore.
The problem is that Tom doesn't think that anyone else knows who he is,
either. That being so, his primary tactic is changing positions. His
methods are lying, making up facts, pet theorizing, soundbiting, and
waffling as a supposed moderate - your basic baiting-switching,
passive-aggressive behavior. You can't get a dime's worth of
intelligent conversation out of the old asshole.
In fact, while all of the information contained in this profile on him
is based on claims of his own about himself, it's an additional
obstruction of his to claim that the facts have been made up; thereby,
constantly refueling pointless debates. This amounts to simply one
more ruse for keeping the real debates clogged up with personality
wars, and so in keeping Tom's personal disease well fed and thriving.
Until the University of California, Santa Barbara either pulls the plug
on poor Tom, or stops offering public Internet access, it's going to be
up to the Men's Advocate to either ignore Thomas's trolling or to
prepare himself to debate nonsense by understanding who Tom is and his
own stated background. In either case, a portrait of an asshole helps
to make an informed decision.
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Careerwise, when Tom was young, he did two to three traumatic years in
prison for selling drugs. Later, he reformed himself by becoming some
low grade "facilitator" for autistics. From that, he pretends to have
been a pioneer in the field. (Autistics who are familiar with him have
laughed at this.)
Today, he lives on the street as a deadbeat dad. Using public
computers, he attempts to take over discussion groups in little coups,
using calculated disruptions which he believes can be leveraged into
media attention as the magic cure for getting justice. This
self-centered little fantasy is actually a common technique employed by
the deadbeats. Most online groups are aware of some of these
characters and have had enough of them, along with their little Yahoo
empires. (1)
Where Tom's great, half-assed awakening to Men's Issues is concerned,
he claims to have always been an activist. No doubt this was true in
the under-my-breath, grumbling sort of way in which most men also are
"activists". But, piecing together his various bullshit stories, it's
obvious that he never was a Men's Advocate at all until his divorce
happened to him. And, he still isn't.
Tom ran to Men's Advocacy as a last recourse after him and his wife,
together, fucked up his life and he found himself having to pay her
"child" support, with no job. Tom, however, is a typical coward who is
too conveniently cynical to support Men's Rights (he doesn't need that
"faggy" shit, he's a MAN), too feminist to put his "sexism" where his
mouth is, and too "moral" to admit that it's not for his kids' sake
that he wants his life back.
To be fair, the father's movement as a whole has never been able to
work with the Men's Movement. It's not just assholes, like Tom. The
father's movement is just too isolationist, too pompous, too castrated,
too stupid and too easily taken advantage of by exploiters (like Ken
Pangborn) to accomplish anything, even on a good day.
What plainly happened with Tom was that (at a time when he was busy
playing the typical hypocritical liberal, with the money, the house,
and the career - for whatever brief period that he had it) he was
stupid enough to ignore the plain realities of today and entered into a
pseudo-traditional marriage, despite the fact that he's always been a
liberal. He wanted to play a redundant male to a redundant, worthless
bitch with no job. For these guys, playing a hollow role is easier
than playing a real one, and more satisfying.
What predictably happened to our pseudo-patriarch of the easy chair was
that the bitch ended up throwing him into the garbage bin of divorce.
Their marriage wasn't based on anything real - only, role playing.
Sooo...
Since, in the 20th century, there was no butter for her to churn, no
clothes for her to make, no nearby stream for her to wash them in, no
meals for her to make from scratch, and - in a word - no WORK for her
to do, which otherwise would have resulted in poverty, disease and
mortality if it hadn't gotten done, then there were also none of those
effective counterbalances (that Tom's type likes to talk about) in
place to stop her from choosing the otherwise option. (2)
...She then proceeded to enjoy the kind of life that a piece of shit
like her can have today by fucking other men in his house and partying
on while he was enjoying the outdoors.
In Tom's anger, he discovered the Men's Movement. But, because he
discovered it only to the extent that the issues affected him in his
own little world - and refused to acknowledge any issue which didn't
affect him personally and directly - he's had about as much success as
most of the so-called fathers' rights groups and clowns who he's
gravitated toward. Therefore, refusing to be ideological has not only
cost him his integrity, it's made him into a bum as well.
Any basic Men's Advocate would have known that this was a formula for
disaster. However, Tom is one of these Joe Average fuckers of
mediocrity who are losing their power in today's world - except, Tom's
also worked for the feminists and has learned to pimp for them.
These simpletons don't think from day to day, and don't care. They're
more arrogant than the rich and more demanding than the poor. They
coast through life by becoming characters who blend into whatever
situation they come across. They have total confidence in their
abilities to play situational politics over the rules, and that nothing
bad can happen to them. They write off principle as being something
not "worth" fighting about. The parts of their brains that handle
principle, as well as ethics and honesty, are so unused, that once it
becomes possible to interface grey matter with computers - lying sacks
of shit that they are - they're going to be able to utilize those parts
as external hard drives with no other adverse effect. Most Men's
Activists have utter contempt for them.
Naturally, hen-pecked assholes, like Tom, still don't want to accept
the fact that half-way measures are actually the whole problem. They
prefer the chivalrously popular cop-out of blaming women's behavior on
government, and according them rights without responsibilities.
There's a nice way to play safe politics. Instead of holding these
women to equality, they shortchange themselves as Men wherever
possible. Then, when the women become unaccountable monsters, and the
extortion of divorce hits, the jellyspines feign shock and blame
communism. Bravo.
Essentially, these hicks can't cope in today's world because they don't
understand it anymore. So, they fall back onto a half-assed, nostalgic
definition of a nuclear family: a wife stays home to raise kids, yet
has equal rights and answers only to herself. Huh? Those are the old
days? Meanwhile, "man" strategically learns to duck the head. He is
allowed either to watch TV or to fix a car in a garage.
This version of patriarchy is always highly sketchy in details, but
whenever you're given any it's evident that the men in it are the ones
who are accountable (to women). It's a successful revision job,
compliments of the women's movement. Such is the source and font of
all that Tom thinketh. Woe is we.
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Tom is your basic conforming/collaborating male feminist, who not only
still hasn't learned that it's over for him and his type, but has paid
the price for it mentally and physically. While "pussy" or
"pussywhipped" may or may not be the closest label to slap onto crazy
old Tom, in explaining his fucked up, dishonest life ...they certainly
do qualify as a couple of clear choices.
The best thing that you, as a Men's Activist, can do about the whole
lot is to expose them (which, will usually end their games fast, as
well). Do this by fighting for Equality for Men, and to bring female
abusers of equality to justice, for a change. Refute their phony
Darwinian "good old days" nostalgia.
True equality is as anathema to a male feminist as a cross is to a
vampire. His safety is in niches and in defending the women's cause
from "militants" in the Men's Movement. The scumbag will then always
either divert the issue back into the woman's agenda, or run like the
coward he is.
Tom should be an object lesson - to all of us - as to the limited power
of playing moderate politics
...and of BULLSHIT.
---------
(1) Those who are familiar with another sleazy character, by the name
of Ken Pangborn, can remember some of his own famous flame wars, which
he has waged over every Internet protocol that he has ever become
familiar with. The difference between someone like Ken and others like
Tom is that Ken is one of the rich little daddy's boys who never had to
suffer the raw end of divorce discrimination. It's well not to confuse
the two types because they behave differently, and with somewhat
different motives.
(2) There's a point worth noting here. Most bourgeois Men's Forums
love to cast this type of scenario as a struggle between capitalism
(patriarchy) and communism ("wymmin's movement"). They believe that,
in identifying anyone that they don't like with commies (in this case,
the women's movement), they're making a brilliant strategic move and
putting the opposition's back up against the wall. Problem is, this
was obviously capitalism feeding on itself. Strawman argument.
Strawman solution.
Of course, when the actual FACTS are shoved into their STUPID faces and
they can't PRETEND that this happens outside of a CAPITALIST system,
they quickly get into hairsplitting by turning the focus of their pet
theory against mere cultural influences. (I.e. attitudes and
education). But, the source is still always revealed to be capitalism,
including "da market". It's still a strawman argument.
The point here isn't simply that if Tom's ex-wife had been a
full-fledged Marxist of the mouth, then she would still have been
living a capitalist life, and still a feminist, and therefore it should
behoove us to note the correlation. It's also to note the cause and
effect.
It was CAPITALISM that removed all of those quaint little mechanisms
from the picture of Tom's marriage. You know: The ones that
supposedly are so integral to the structure of the "nuclear" family
...whenever you read a little history of the world from one of these
Morons-with-a-capital-M. She no longer NEEDED him for actual
tooth-and-nail, law-of-the-jungle "SURVIVAL". He was redundant to her
in that respect. So was she to him, as far as ironing his loincloth.
Nor, can one say that candy-ass American "socialism" was the temptation
that lured Mrs. Smith to destroy the marriage with welfare as a safety
net, because materialism had to break down the necessity of their
old-world roles to each other, FIRST, before the temptation could have
effect. Especially, if idiots want to argue that socialism parasites
off of capitalism.
THAT'S why it's a strawman to recommend survivalism as the glue that
binds families together and then in the next breath to recommend the
1950's. Sure, life at that time may still have been somewhat tough
following the Great Depression (for all you dorky Joe and Sue
Middle-class Republicans out there, that would be when free market
capitalism FAILED ...until the welfare state bailed out the country
-God Bless FDR), but the U.S. was pretty much past those decades by
then - which is a given reason by it's retarded advocates for
recommending it. It's especially fallacious to claim all of that and
then chant the mantra that the problem with feminism is that it wants
to return us to primitive living conditions. Well, Which is it? Is
the physical struggle for survival good or bad for marriage?
Capitalism vs. Marxism is a separate issue, and the integrity of "da
family" is a red herring. If anything, Men are returned to their old
roles in a Marxist system, while the women WORK for their equality -
instead of lazing around, insulting Men and using their own resources
against them. Meanwhile, males under capitalist regimes take out the
garbage, are abused by all females, use self-deprecating humor, and are
arrested and imprisoned for the slightest physical or verbal "abuses"
of females - including their wives and including the marital right. It
is the men under the capitalist regime who don't measure up to the
survival standard, and it is the weak capitalist male who protests the
loudest about "men being men and women being women".
-- T.T.
Turin thanks from most of us for keeping on top of weird little Tom an'
his dangerous public wanderings. This is one we better all have our eye
on. I hope those little kids he was raging against have managed to
avoid crossing his path any more. He's really psycho. You be careful
too.

Stormy
krp
2006-12-17 11:06:53 UTC
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Post by Stormy
Turin thanks from most of us for keeping on top of weird little Tom an'
his dangerous public wanderings. This is one we better all have our eye
on. I hope those little kids he was raging against have managed to
avoid crossing his path any more. He's really psycho. You be careful
too.
Stormy
The psycho here is YOU!
Turin
2007-01-11 22:42:17 UTC
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Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Post by krp
Post by Stormy
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt,
Guess again. You read too much Moore.
Moore? Stormy is just another of Turin's schizophrenic "imaginary
friends". He has a new one...Lenin. How appropriate is that since he
and his fellow marxists need to live in the past to have any life at
all. It's sad but at least now he has friends <smile>
Speaking of SMM, I stopped by there the other day to see how they were
doing and they are up to 6 members!! At this rate they might make it
to the size of my AUM men's group in two lifetimes.
Smitty
For those who aren't familiar with "Tom Smith", "Smitty", "Qim",
"Masculist", etc., Thomas is a mentally ill, homeless liberal who is
addicted to street drugs, sleeps in a park and typically logs onto the
Internet from UCSB.
Tom is known mainly as a schizophrenic who takes wildly contradictory
positions on "leftism" (and just about anything else), as well as
making even more wild accusations against people online. He's a
deadbeat dad, an ex "punk" prison con, and a lifelong substance abuser.
Most of his personal problems (both, on and offline) stem from his
abuse of drugs and alcohol.
Tom doesn't have any real understanding of leftism, or politics in
general. Least of all, of Men's Rights. (He's a lifelong feminist).
He isn't genuinely hostile toward women's issues, or even toward gays
as he pretends to be.
It's tempting at first to put him into the quaint category of the
"little man with a pet theory, minus any actual knowledge". However,
the truth is a little more complex. Essentially, Tom has a
deteriorating condition and simply isn't responsible for a lot of the
things that he says.
Tom did use to be involved in what passes for left-wing politics in the
U.S. He was employed in some social make-work programs, designed to
help work-release patients, like himself. When the funding for such
jobs fizzled out, Tom found himself unemployed and his marriage, to his
fellow drug addicted wife, on the rocks. As is typical in U.S. society,
while Tom did 2-3 years for dealing drugs, his wife did none at all.
Their two kids have suffered the psychological damage of having such
parents. From there, Tom's whole life fell apart. That might be said
to have been the start of Tom's "involvement" in Men's Issues.
Further information on Tom's alleged relationship to the Men's movement
can be found in the amusing-but-true FAQ below, along with a more
detailed profile on his disruption tactics and his dissociative
identity disorder. Special thanks to all those who contributed to this
project.
TOM SMITH
---------
Dipylidium Caninum
by Yuno Hu
Who or "what" is Tom Smith?
Tom smith is a psychiatrically disturbed troll who engages in false
accusations against people he doesn't know, group disruptions and
communication jamming in general. His closest ideology is that of
women's rights; though, his trolling activities are generally done out
of a need for personal attention.
However, in an effort to establish some credibility for his disruptions
in Men's Groups - where he tries to peddle most of his phony tales of
woe - he casts himself as something which he calls a "Masculist", with
himself as the president of it's beer-muddled ideology and the wearer
of it's largest paper hat. As his victim, it inevitably falls to you
to make sense out of his confused and contradictory statements, and
thereby to supply therapy and meaning to his ruined life.
What Thomas's brand of "masculism" actually is, is merely the usual
reactionaryism of male feminists that was written by go-with-the-flow
corporate-liberal types. It's known as gender role playing and is
highly adaptable to every bourgeois political fad that comes along.
Most utilize the technique as their core ideology and embellish it with
their own personal group's identity and style, in the same way that MP3
players utilize "skins". Tom's added twist to the idea is a bit of
band-aid liberalism (that is, when he's not back-pedaling from his
positions), and a whole lot of folksy personality.
That's it. You now have a Ph.D. in "masculism".
Of course, the Men's Movement has long been plagued by half-way
liberalisms, such as masculism, that are (still being) constantly
repackaged to address a Man's heartburn, but not His RIGHTS. They are
counter-insurgencies which seek to redirect the Men's Movement into
serving the woman's agenda. Tom Smith, himself, is basically just
another loud-mouthed servant who enjoys the taste of (a woman's) shit
but goes running to the Men's Movement for protection whenever she
starts becoming too abusive to him.
Those of us who are veterans in the Movement, who are carrying too many
battle scars but not enough victories under our belts (or, laurels in
our crowns ...as case may be), just don't have the luxury anymore of
promoting the self-aggrandizing spoiled little boy types, like Warren
Farrell and Glenn Sacks. Or, the loudmouthed little assholes like Ken
Pangborn. Then, there's the Tom Smith category.
In Tom's case, his made up masculism is also a crutch for someone who's
been left out of the left wing movement - where he found acceptance at
an earlier point in his life. It was a time when the white-trash
demographic, frankly, had a more prominent role in the U.S. Democratic
party, before being abandoned in favor of women and blacks.
Most of Tom's few, laughable allies are from overseas, where there is
still a relatively meaningful labor party. Unfortunately, they tend to
be the lowest of the lot: crude, ignorant, and sanctimoniously
hypocritical as well as obtuse on the father's issue. A political
orphan (if not an abandoned schizophrenic), Tom just doesn't know who
he is anymore.
The problem is that Tom doesn't think that anyone else knows who he is,
either. That being so, his primary tactic is changing positions. His
methods are lying, making up facts, pet theorizing, soundbiting, and
waffling as a supposed moderate - your basic baiting-switching,
passive-aggressive behavior. You can't get a dime's worth of
intelligent conversation out of the old asshole.
In fact, while all of the information contained in this profile on him
is based on claims of his own about himself, it's an additional
obstruction of his to claim that the facts have been made up; thereby,
constantly refueling pointless debates. This amounts to simply one
more ruse for keeping the real debates clogged up with personality
wars, and so in keeping Tom's personal disease well fed and thriving.
Until the University of California, Santa Barbara either pulls the plug
on poor Tom, or stops offering public Internet access, it's going to be
up to the Men's Advocate to either ignore Thomas's trolling or to
prepare himself to debate nonsense by understanding who Tom is and his
own stated background. In either case, a portrait of an asshole helps
to make an informed decision.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Careerwise, when Tom was young, he did two to three traumatic years in
prison for selling drugs. Later, he reformed himself by becoming some
low grade "facilitator" for autistics. From that, he pretends to have
been a pioneer in the field. (Autistics who are familiar with him have
laughed at this.)
Today, he lives on the street as a deadbeat dad. Using public
computers, he attempts to take over discussion groups in little coups,
using calculated disruptions which he believes can be leveraged into
media attention as the magic cure for getting justice. This
self-centered little fantasy is actually a common technique employed by
the deadbeats. Most online groups are aware of some of these
characters and have had enough of them, along with their little Yahoo
empires. (1)
Where Tom's great, half-assed awakening to Men's Issues is concerned,
he claims to have always been an activist. No doubt this was true in
the under-my-breath, grumbling sort of way in which most men also are
"activists". But, piecing together his various bullshit stories, it's
obvious that he never was a Men's Advocate at all until his divorce
happened to him. And, he still isn't.
Tom ran to Men's Advocacy as a last recourse after him and his wife,
together, fucked up his life and he found himself having to pay her
"child" support, with no job. Tom, however, is a typical coward who is
too conveniently cynical to support Men's Rights (he doesn't need that
"faggy" shit, he's a MAN), too feminist to put his "sexism" where his
mouth is, and too "moral" to admit that it's not for his kids' sake
that he wants his life back.
To be fair, the father's movement as a whole has never been able to
work with the Men's Movement. It's not just assholes, like Tom. The
father's movement is just too isolationist, too pompous, too castrated,
too stupid and too easily taken advantage of by exploiters (like Ken
Pangborn) to accomplish anything, even on a good day.
What plainly happened with Tom was that (at a time when he was busy
playing the typical hypocritical liberal, with the money, the house,
and the career - for whatever brief period that he had it) he was
stupid enough to ignore the plain realities of today and entered into a
pseudo-traditional marriage, despite the fact that he's always been a
liberal. He wanted to play a redundant male to a redundant, worthless
bitch with no job. For these guys, playing a hollow role is easier
than playing a real one, and more satisfying.
What predictably happened to our pseudo-patriarch of the easy chair was
that the bitch ended up throwing him into the garbage bin of divorce.
Their marriage wasn't based on anything real - only, role playing.
Sooo...
Since, in the 20th century, there was no butter for her to churn, no
clothes for her to make, no nearby stream for her to wash them in, no
meals for her to make from scratch, and - in a word - no WORK for her
to do, which otherwise would have resulted in poverty, disease and
mortality if it hadn't gotten done, then there were also none of those
effective counterbalances (that Tom's type likes to talk about) in
place to stop her from choosing the otherwise option. (2)
...She then proceeded to enjoy the kind of life that a piece of shit
like her can have today by fucking other men in his house and partying
on while he was enjoying the outdoors.
In Tom's anger, he discovered the Men's Movement. But, because he
discovered it only to the extent that the issues affected him in his
own little world - and refused to acknowledge any issue which didn't
affect him personally and directly - he's had about as much success as
most of the so-called fathers' rights groups and clowns who he's
gravitated toward. Therefore, refusing to be ideological has not only
cost him his integrity, it's made him into a bum as well.
Any basic Men's Advocate would have known that this was a formula for
disaster. However, Tom is one of these Joe Average fuckers of
mediocrity who are losing their power in today's world - except, Tom's
also worked for the feminists and has learned to pimp for them.
These simpletons don't think from day to day, and don't care. They're
more arrogant than the rich and more demanding than the poor. They
coast through life by becoming characters who blend into whatever
situation they come across. They have total confidence in their
abilities to play situational politics over the rules, and that nothing
bad can happen to them. They write off principle as being something
not "worth" fighting about. The parts of their brains that handle
principle, as well as ethics and honesty, are so unused, that once it
becomes possible to interface grey matter with computers - lying sacks
of shit that they are - they're going to be able to utilize those parts
as external hard drives with no other adverse effect. Most Men's
Activists have utter contempt for them.
Naturally, hen-pecked assholes, like Tom, still don't want to accept
the fact that half-way measures are actually the whole problem. They
prefer the chivalrously popular cop-out of blaming women's behavior on
government, and according them rights without responsibilities.
There's a nice way to play safe politics. Instead of holding these
women to equality, they shortchange themselves as Men wherever
possible. Then, when the women become unaccountable monsters, and the
extortion of divorce hits, the jellyspines feign shock and blame
communism. Bravo.
Essentially, these hicks can't cope in today's world because they don't
understand it anymore. So, they fall back onto a half-assed, nostalgic
definition of a nuclear family: a wife stays home to raise kids, yet
has equal rights and answers only to herself. Huh? Those are the old
days? Meanwhile, "man" strategically learns to duck the head. He is
allowed either to watch TV or to fix a car in a garage.
This version of patriarchy is always highly sketchy in details, but
whenever you're given any it's evident that the men in it are the ones
who are accountable (to women). It's a successful revision job,
compliments of the women's movement. Such is the source and font of
all that Tom thinketh. Woe is we.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Tom is your basic conforming/collaborating male feminist, who not only
still hasn't learned that it's over for him and his type, but has paid
the price for it mentally and physically. While "pussy" or
"pussywhipped" may or may not be the closest label to slap onto crazy
old Tom, in explaining his fucked up, dishonest life ...they certainly
do qualify as a couple of clear choices.
The best thing that you, as a Men's Activist, can do about the whole
lot is to expose them (which, will usually end their games fast, as
well). Do this by fighting for Equality for Men, and to bring female
abusers of equality to justice, for a change. Refute their phony
Darwinian "good old days" nostalgia.
True equality is as anathema to a male feminist as a cross is to a
vampire. His safety is in niches and in defending the women's cause
from "militants" in the Men's Movement. The scumbag will then always
either divert the issue back into the woman's agenda, or run like the
coward he is.
Tom should be an object lesson - to all of us - as to the limited power
of playing moderate politics
...and of BULLSHIT.
---------
(1) Those who are familiar with another sleazy character, by the name
of Ken Pangborn, can remember some of his own famous flame wars, which
he has waged over every Internet protocol that he has ever become
familiar with. The difference between someone like Ken and others like
Tom is that Ken is one of the rich little daddy's boys who never had to
suffer the raw end of divorce discrimination. It's well not to confuse
the two types because they behave differently, and with somewhat
different motives.
(2) There's a point worth noting here. Most bourgeois Men's Forums
love to cast this type of scenario as a struggle between capitalism
(patriarchy) and communism ("wymmin's movement"). They believe that,
in identifying anyone that they don't like with commies (in this case,
the women's movement), they're making a brilliant strategic move and
putting the opposition's back up against the wall. Problem is, this
was obviously capitalism feeding on itself. Strawman argument.
Strawman solution.
Of course, when the actual FACTS are shoved into their STUPID faces and
they can't PRETEND that this happens outside of a CAPITALIST system,
they quickly get into hairsplitting by turning the focus of their pet
theory against mere cultural influences. (I.e. attitudes and
education). But, the source is still always revealed to be capitalism,
including "da market". It's still a strawman argument.
The point here isn't simply that if Tom's ex-wife had been a
full-fledged Marxist of the mouth, then she would still have been
living a capitalist life, and still a feminist, and therefore it should
behoove us to note the correlation. It's also to note the cause and
effect.
It was CAPITALISM that removed all of those quaint little mechanisms
from the picture of Tom's marriage. You know: The ones that
supposedly are so integral to the structure of the "nuclear" family
...whenever you read a little history of the world from one of these
Morons-with-a-capital-M. She no longer NEEDED him for actual
tooth-and-nail, law-of-the-jungle "SURVIVAL". He was redundant to her
in that respect. So was she to him, as far as ironing his loincloth.
Nor, can one say that candy-ass American "socialism" was the temptation
that lured Mrs. Smith to destroy the marriage with welfare as a safety
net, because materialism had to break down the necessity of their
old-world roles to each other, FIRST, before the temptation could have
effect. Especially, if idiots want to argue that socialism parasites
off of capitalism.
THAT'S why it's a strawman to recommend survivalism as the glue that
binds families together and then in the next breath to recommend the
1950's. Sure, life at that time may still have been somewhat tough
following the Great Depression (for all you dorky Joe and Sue
Middle-class Republicans out there, that would be when free market
capitalism FAILED ...until the welfare state bailed out the country
-God Bless FDR), but the U.S. was pretty much past those decades by
then - which is a given reason by it's retarded advocates for
recommending it. It's especially fallacious to claim all of that and
then chant the mantra that the problem with feminism is that it wants
to return us to primitive living conditions. Well, Which is it? Is
the physical struggle for survival good or bad for marriage?
Capitalism vs. Marxism is a separate issue, and the integrity of "da
family" is a red herring. If anything, Men are returned to their old
roles in a Marxist system, while the women WORK for their equality -
instead of lazing around, insulting Men and using their own resources
against them. Meanwhile, males under capitalist regimes take out the
garbage, are abused by all females, use self-deprecating humor, and are
arrested and imprisoned for the slightest physical or verbal "abuses"
of females - including their wives and including the marital right. It
is the men under the capitalist regime who don't measure up to the
survival standard, and it is the weak capitalist male who protests the
loudest about "men being men and women being women".
-- T.T.
Turin thanks from most of us for keeping on top of weird little Tom an'
his dangerous public wanderings. This is one we better all have our eye
on. I hope those little kids he was raging against have managed to
avoid crossing his path any more. He's really psycho. You be careful
too.
You're welcome, Stormy.

And, thanks. I'm pretty careful. I got a lot of practice
from having Fagborn on my tail so long. In our work, Men's
Rights Activists are always on the lookout for reprisals
from crazy feminists.
Post by Stormy
Stormy
- - -

This has been another enlightening moment, with:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
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http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

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"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."

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Turin
2006-12-15 20:45:23 UTC
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Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA?
I chased him off of this group into the JFK groups and
alt.true.sickos, where Snyder currently holes up.
It's been looking quieter ever since without that guy around Turin.
Can't say the quality has gone up except when a couple guys like you
post. Feminists are running all over the place impersonating men.
I've noticed that too Mike. People like Connor seem to purposely send
extreme messages just so that they can apologize for them later on.
That's what they do. Many feminists who masquerade as Men's
advocates are out to associate any proactive political
behavior with violence, whether it's an organized public
protest or a bumper sticker.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
He couldn't handle being intellectually punked off anymore.
He was raised to believe that he was superior to guys who
didn't have everything in life handed to them. The
realization was traumatic for him ...as it will be for the
rest of the middleclass.
So true. Too many white collars try to slink into these groups so that
they can give us their theories of capitalism = patriarchy. As I
remember this GA had the usual feminist skeletons in his closet. Or so
he claimed. These punks are good only for playing hit and run.
Turin does a nice job cutting through all of that baloney. By the time
he's done disecting those guys the biggest baddest antifeminists turn
out to be nothing more than psychological eunuchs created by their own
daughters, forget the wives. The feminists turn out to be Fortune 500
candidates an' you can hear a pin drop!
Yeah, nominal labels and parties are very important to phony
moderates. Like any illusionist, they depend on your
trained reaction to a word or a symbol in order to con you
where you're not looking.

By claiming a "moderate" position, you're more apt to
forgive duplicity in them in the same way that you don't
overreact to a magician because you expect the trickery.


"Antifeminists" use that term precisely because they don't
want you paying any attention to MEN'S issues. If nothing
else, they themselves aren't helping to promote any real
issues.

The U.S. is going to hell today, precisely, because it's in
the hands of moderates who are all finger-pointing at each
other in their mutual game of corrupting and raiding the
country's systems and culture for their own private gain.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
We lost
Spare us your pep rally support, Asshole. Most of you
losers haven't even lost your virginity. Your ongoing
desperate attempts to disrupt soc.men with your failed
soc.men.moderated project simply go to show that you can't
get anyone to pay any more attention to you.
This Tom hobo is truly the most deranged person I've ever seen on the
internet, if not the most dangerous. It's one thing to tell a lot of
lies to win an argument. It's another to make them up as false
accusations against your opponent, simply because he keeps waling your
ass in every argument. How is the case going with that daughter thing,
Turin?
Little Tom is truly in his own world. I hope not too many kids play
around the park that he hangs out in. I was reading a post by him
about kids being scared of him when they see him coming an' he was
blaming feminism. I think it's probably that he's a dirty vagrant who
looks an' acts weird. He sure does online.
Haha ...that's probably exactly it. Dope-addict Tom still
hasn't come to grips with what his life has become.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
This Jayne is a pathological number too. They must be some serious
psychopaths to keep doing all of this for a tiny bit of mutual support
from people they don't even know. Where do think people like that come
from, Turin?
I think that a lot of them are rejects of society who were given too
many toys or material comforts as children an' learned to believe that
they were special and better than the other kids until they lost the
ability to socialize in normal everyday ways. Jayne reminds me a lot of
Andrea Yates or possibly the mother in the movie Carrie. She even
looks kind of like Yates which is pretty creepy!
Holy shit, you're right.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Even now, Borgerdaughter is desperately doing that chronic
mating call of his: "I was out of town". Yeah. Me too. I
was helping cement a deal for Megagrab & Clutch.
LMAO. Now that's the other extreme.
'Megagrab & Clutch' .. I like that!
Thanks. I thought it was pretty clever, myself.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
Hahaha ...talk about projection.
Butthole, Don't you ever get the newsflashes? Everyone here
knows that the real reason Jayne offered it to him was
simply because of his hostility to me.
No one needed a newsflash for that one.
True.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
The whole premise of the club was reactionary. It was
Backlash Coup II: Give Rod and his supporters a nice little
reactionary corner of their own to play out their soft
feminism vs. hard liners motif.
That guy is something else.
Roderick is what you call a failure. His years as the
shifty liberal - who is the disadvantaged minority one
moment and the polished white guy the next - haven't exactly
left him with much of a reputation or too many friends.
Since he's first come to deal with the fact that he hasn't
been able to make it as a white man, he's been trying every
trick in the book to walk the line, but he's been veering
more and more back to his Native American heritage, and he
can't even do that. Or else, he's already sabotaging it.

If I were Cowlitz (rather than Lenape) I would fight to have
his ass ejected out of every tribal meeting which he has
tried to join, if not head. That guy has only three
agendas: Rod, Rod and Rod. I've seen the shambles that he
and his young-meat-cruising buddy have turned Men's Issues
in his own group in order to head off the make-believe
threat of "the jack boots". Those kind of people are
*opportunists* and *users* and *do not* allow those who are
interested in pursing common goals to interfere with their
own personal ambitions or short term desires.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
But, it didn't work, here (in the "mainstream" forums)
because Men aren't really interested in snivelling,
repackaged feminism - and your dumb email lists are just a
fantasy world for little big-shits from the over 50 crowd
who want bully pulpits where they can disrespect people with
impunity.
Touche.
That's about the size of it.
Post by Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Especially not from a closet liberal. An unemployed Uncle
Tom - who is now playing Cowlitz Indian only because he's
ripped off and mistreated everyone who's ever supported him,
when he was playing the white man and deliberately
distancing himself from his heritage - doesn't exactly have
a niche market for some boring daily column. Especially not
one that consists mainly of naysaying the Men's Movement
while lecturing Men about being inclusive toward the women's
movement ...Yeah, just what we need more of.
Is Mr. Rod a full blooded Cowlitz or less?
I believe he's full blooded Mike.
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken
Pangborn and Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they
pretend to be. They ain't too crazy about homeless old drug
addicts, either, who make false accusations against other
Men on behalf of women. Hello.
That sure sums it up. Maybe if more of these assholes went to jail
like the better men do then we'd be rid of their stink and women being
cut off from their passive supporters would finally start facing some
real heat in court. What a trap men are in.
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt, Roddie
is unemployable and Tom is shunned by the hobo community. All of them
have seemed to attack the Men who take the stand for rocking the boat
an' that's their due reward.
Amen.



"It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have
the guts to stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"

~ Jim Morrison

- - -

Beloved of the Gods:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----
Post by Stormy
Stormy
Post by Lenin
Post by Turin
Post by Masculist
Oh the whorror, the whorror...
Yo, How's the daughter, Tom...?
Are you still corresponding with her Turin?
Mike.
Post by Turin
- - -
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
Post by Masculist
Shitty Smitty
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
krp
2006-12-15 23:19:48 UTC
Permalink
TURDBRAIN TURAM (Teddy Meyer) A LEGEND ONLY IN HIS OWN MIND
Post by Stormy
Post by Turin
Men are fed up with talk-wannabe bullshit artists, like Ken
Pangborn and Roderick Mechelen, who are never what they
pretend to be. They ain't too crazy about homeless old drug
addicts, either, who make false accusations against other
Men on behalf of women. Hello.
What a blight it is on a society that always punishes character an'
rewards those who betray anyone who does the right thing. Well at least
what's going around is coming around a bit. Pangy is bankrupt, Roddie
is unemployable and Tom is shunned by the hobo community. All of them
have seemed to attack the Men who take the stand for rocking the boat
an' that's their due reward.
Amen.
Sorry Turdbrain - I OWN my own home - 100% of it. Don't mind rocking
the boat, or those who DO. When do you plan to START rocking the boat there
Turdbrain? ALL we see from you is endless bitching on Usenet and ZERO on
the way of solid accomplishment. In 7 YEARS you account for a NOTHING!

ZERO accomplished. Get back to us when you have managed to get a law passed
that makes it better for men. OR when you've helped a man WIN in court>,or
ANYTHING but your GAS ATTACKS on Usenet and your constant whining about
women like a fukking BABY! Eh pussyboi?

DO something actual for men and THEN attack others. All you are is a source
for GLOBAL WARMING Teddy!
pandora
2006-11-26 02:54:33 UTC
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Post by Masculist
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
What I want to know is what happenned to GA? We lost a perfectly good
poster for some dim witted feminist who wanted to control men.
He was sexist scum like the rest of you masculists and a coward to boot.
He ran when he was unable to handle the real questions. Typical.

CWQ
Post by Masculist
Oh the
horror, the horror...
Post by Masculist
Smitty
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal
to carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said
they would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have
requested that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does
not carry smm because it does not have sufficient propogation for their
criteria. It has been confirmed from several sources that this is not
true. Since Google will not give their real reason for refusing to
carry smm nor discuss it with me, there is nothing more I can do about
this. This was not a problem that anyone could have predicted.
--
Jayne Check out soc.men.moderated. If your news provider
doesn't carry it, ask. While you're waiting for it use the web
http://news.killfile.org/?group=soc.men.moderated
krp
2006-11-23 13:38:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
Try VIAGRA Jayne SMM seems to have erectile dysfunction.
Dustbin
2006-11-24 01:24:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
It seems to go in spurts. There hasn't been much traffic for the last week
or so. Before that we had a period with much more traffic.
That was you, me and Mark ;-)
Post by Jayne Kulikauskas
I think that the traffic levels have been affected by Google's refusal to
carry the group. There are quite a few Google users who have said they
would post to smm if it were available to them. Many people have requested
that Google carry it. Google continues to claim that it does not carry smm
because it does not have sufficient propogation for their criteria. It has
been confirmed from several sources that this is not true. Since Google
will not give their real reason for refusing to carry smm nor discuss it
with me, there is nothing more I can do about this. This was not a problem
that anyone could have predicted.
One might wonder what (or who) is behind it.

D.
--
=======================
Women have spent the last
30 years proving that men
have been right for the
last 30 centuries.
=======================
Andre Lieven
2006-11-23 03:44:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
Yes, alt.usenet.kooks.moderated&polite is even shunned by it's
designed core audience; kooks.

Theres a good lesson there for non kooks, too...

Andre
pandora
2006-11-26 02:44:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dustbin
It seems to be 1 post per day !
D.
Ah. A MARVELOUS success then.


:-)

CWQ
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