Post by Mark Sobolewski
There's a simple answer to that: I've been checked out
by three different doctors and all tests have come up clean.
Mark, you could not scrub yourself clean enough to get rid of the crud left
behind from all those hundreds of men who made use of the prostitutes you
bought for your own use.
You make it sound so tawdry. :-)
As you have pointed out, men who used prostitutes and later slept
with their girlfriends effectively have the girlfriends sleeping
with that prostitutes' clients. So unless you and your hubby
were virgins on your wedding night, it's quite possible that
you've "slept" with the same people I have.
You sound like Howard Hughes scrubbing every single thing
with alcohol and wearing white gloves. We live in a world
of microbes. I'm reminded of how my swiss friend is always
sick when she comes back from a trip to Switzerland. Poles
say that Switzerland is too damn clean and weakens
the immune system. It's amazing. I have NEVER seen a piece
of litter outside of Zurich! Anyway, back to the subject:
I suspect that your revulsion with germs is merely a way of
you expressing you distaste for the practice of prostitution
in general. You said your husband is "offended" by them
and now you emphasize I "bought" these women. Is your husband
"bought" by his employer? You also express a sheer distaste
for me below. I've hit a nerve and I'm not making this
observation to be unnecessarily spiteful. Others have picked
up on your emotional reaction too. It's rather queer
coming from someone who claims to be so modern.
I've heard psuedo-modern women express sentiments similar to
yours about how they found prostitution distasteful EVEN AS
they RELIGIOUSLY engaged in a form of pseudo-prostitution by
demanding that men pay for every sexual encounter through
a form of barter. Maybe there's something Freudian behind
all of this animosity expressed towards prostitution by women
practicing it themselves. A form of self-hate perhaps?
(Note: This isn't directed at you. You may have some other
hangup on this issue. Note: Don't take the term "hangup"
in the wrong way. :-)
Your sexual disclosure cast you in a completely different light from my own
point of view. Up 'til now, I actually held you to some level worthy of
respect. I thought you charming, funny, albeit sexist, but no big deal.
However, now that I know you were into using several or more
can't help but think of all the scuzzy cruddy men these women had noodling
them...and *you* were one of her many clients! You are as tainted as the
crud she screwed!
Maybe you should wear gloves while typing your responses to me. :-)
While you find sexually experienced women disgusting, I happen
to think many of them had personal charm and pragmatic attitudes
about men. I might even say they need a gentleman to defend
them as ladies. You're casting stones at them, indirectly,
through implying that they're "used" by men and they are
tainted by their sexual experience. Shame on YOU!
You claim to be sexually liberated but you give the impression
that you are hiding behind sexual repression.
There are men out there who are "sluts" and have slept with hundreds
of women. Are the women who sleep with these men viewed as filthy?
Oh, wait, these men are "studs" because it's understood that only
exceptional men can accomplish that feat while prostitutes
are just ordinary women selling sex to make a living.
Not only that, but your attitude is elitist. You argue that
I'm filthy because I'm indirectly intimate, literally,
with the common man you refer to as "crud". Apart from
"crack whores", professional prostitutes are aware of
health risks and want to avoid high risk clients. There's
already plenty of money to be made from working men
such as myself. Why would they take unnecessary risks?
And what makes you think that no "normal" women sleep with
"crud"? See the "studs" above!
Any respect I had for you has plummeted...dramatically...all I can think of
is that I'm conversing with "filth."
Unclean! Unclean! :-)
Hmmm, I thought about this and I realize why your reaction
may be so acerbic: I'm not "scum" that you imagine are a
prostitute's only clients. I'm like many "normal" men
you know with normal girlfriends who are in your sexual
swimming pool and maybe that scares you.
Ordinarily, I would chuckle at your reaction but I thought
further: I'm doing what I like with my body and I'm ok.
Who are you to judge? Are you pro-choice? You think it's
ok for women to go and get unborn babies scraped out
of them when it suits them and hey, if men don't like that,
tough darts, right? But here I am, a man doing what I like
with my body and you're having problems handling that in
a simple internet discussion! But I'm as much a product
of modern sexual mores as anything else.
Everything else is liberalizing. If gambling, gay marriage,
and beastility are becoming accepted surely the oldest
profession can find room in our society in the future.
Oh well...be glad you did find a wife who wasn't so concerned about your
My wife didn't discuss my sexual history and vice-versa.
We were more concerned about the present and I got myself
checked out as did she so we didn't bring any "dirty laundry"
into the marriage.
I, for one, would not have been quite so forgiving. I'm
also exceedingly thankful that my husband believes sex with
I'm glad for you to have someone whose compatable with you.
I also am happy to share my wife's sentiments on many matters
so it gives us this warm, fuzzy feeling. But I'm liberal
enough (strange to use that word) to be tolerant of my
wife's, and your, opposing views and be civilized.
Maybe I'm getting more mature (old) and know how to
react proportionately. For example, if your husband
never solicited a prostitute but saw nothing wrong with
the practice, you'd still be germ free!
As my hubby sometimes claims about women he finds filthy or
exceedingly ugly or fat, "I wouldn't fuck her using someone else's cock!"
I can appreciate that remark when discussing someone whose filthy
(since that person has some control over their general hygene)
but saying it about someone whose ugly or fat comes across
as incredibly cruel and vulgar, don't you think? Does he
need to say that?
Ok, in all fairness, my wife said that Fantasia of American
Idol should have gone on The Swan and I agree with her. :-)