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Father of Woman In Police Domestic ABuse Murder gets Help from Congress to Fight Dirty Cops who Beat Their Wives: DOmestic Abuse in the Intelligencew Agencies: Who is Paying Attention?
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Scott Maas
2005-10-31 02:08:27 UTC
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Father of woman murdered by police chief hopeful Congress will act on
domestic violence

By MATTHEW DALY
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

WASHINGTON -- As his daughter lay dying, Lane Judson promised her he
would do something about the often hidden problem of family violence
committed by police.

Crystal Judson Brame, was shot and killed by her estranged husband,
Tacoma Police Chief David Brame, who then killed himself.

The April 2003 shootings shook the state and led to a new law requiring
Washington police agencies to adopt tough policies regarding domestic
violence among their officers.

Now Judson wants Congress to adopt a similar law nationwide - a quest
that so far has been a tortuous education in how slow Congress can be.

But even as he and his wife Patty send stacks of letters urging
lawmakers to back their efforts, Judson remains upbeat - convinced the
couple's 2 1/2-year crusade will ultimately succeed.

"I am so optimistic something good is going to come out of this," the
70-year-old Judson said in an interview from his home in Gig Harbor.
"It just has to."



The up-and-down course of the legislation - which Judson originally
dubbed the Crystal Clear Act - was back on the upswing this month, as
the state's congressional delegation again pushed for a Justice
Department study of domestic violence programs that law enforcement
agencies provide for their officers.

In a letter signed by 10 of the state's 11 members of Congress,
Washington lawmakers urged leaders of the House and Senate judiciary
committees to back a federal study they said might help prevent
tragedies like that of Crystal Judson Brame.

The letter also encourages police departments to develop policies based
on a model created by the International Association of Chiefs of
Police.

The study is a far cry from Lane Judson's first impulse: to withhold
federal money from police departments that don't have effective
policies dealing with domestic violence by their officers.

Judson, a retired Boeing manager, gave up on that idea after local
members of Congress, including Democratic Reps. Norm Dicks and Jay
Inslee and Republican Rep. Dave Reichert, convinced him that a proposal
to cut police funding was unlikely to succeed.

"Whatever they come up with, I support 100 percent, because it's a step
in the right direction," Judson said.

Reichert, a former King County sheriff, said it should come as no
surprise that some police officers commit domestic violence.

"These are people that we hire from the human race, so a certain
percentage will be prone to domestic violence," Reichert said. "The
twist is that police officers are people in authority. They carry a
badge and a gun, and I truly believe it is more difficult for victims -
and 90 percent of the time it's females - to come forward," Reichert
said.

Penny Harrington, a former Portland, Ore., police chief who helped
found the National Center for Women and Policing, an advocacy group
that seeks more women at all ranks of law enforcement, agreed.

Harrington said the Brame case highlights the dangers of police family
violence. Like David Brame, most police officers have access to weapons
and know how to use them, Harrington said.

"All too frequently, it escalates into a fatal situation," she said.

Many officers also know where domestic violence shelters are and may
have access to police computers that make it easier to track a woman
down, said Harrington.

While exact statistics don't exist, Harrington said two studies
indicate that as many as 40 percent of police families experience
domestic violence or abuse - four times the rate of the general
population.

"Police hate to investigate their brother officers," Harrington said.
"That's part of the problem. Families are afraid to report, and they
are afraid that nothing will be done if they do report it."

The International Association of Chiefs of Police created its model
policy two years ago so departments large and small can develop their
own guidelines, said Gene Voegtlin, a spokesman for the Virginia-based
police chiefs group. Voegtlin declined to comment on the figures cited
by Harrington.

"The question of domestic violence by police officers obviously is a
critical one, and one we care about."

Voegtlin said he was not sure how many of the nation's 14,000
municipal, county and state police agencies have policies on domestic
violence, but said anecdotal evidence indicates the number is
increasing.

A survey of 123 police agencies conducted in the 1990s indicated that
fewer than half had such policies.

That could change as a result of the Brame case, Washington lawmakers
say - if for no other reason than self-protection, as local officials
ponder potentially huge liability in the event of a similar tragedy.

Last month, the city of Tacoma approved a $12 million payment and other
provisions to settle a lawsuit filed by the Judson family. The suit
claimed, among other things, that city officials never investigated
allegations that Brame abused his wife; did not protect her despite
repeated complaints; and promoted Brame despite a failed psychological
examination and a rape claim against him.

"The city took a bath on this," said George Behan, chief of staff to
Rep. Dicks. "The emperor had no clothes, because they could not claim
they were ignorant of the case."

The Judsons live in Dicks' district and have worked closely with him on
the police bill.

Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash, who represents Tacoma, said Lane Judson was
"doing an outstanding job of shining a light on a very important
issue."

The Brame case shows the need to make sure police departments are aware
of abuse that goes on in their departments and are prepared to prevent
it or stop it once it starts, Smith said.

Judson often recalls his hospital promise to his daughter, as he and
other family members press their campaign for a federal law.

Crystal, 35, couldn't talk, but the family knew she could hear.

"She would squeeze my hand. I told her, 'Crystal, I will do everything
I can so this won't happen again,'" Judson said.

After Crystal died, Judson said he thought there was less than a 5
percent chance that Congress would do something. He now puts the odds
about 50-50.

"My goal is to make sure that no one ever feels like Crystal, with
nowhere to turn," he said. "It's starting to become a reality."


Which black ops loses his job in early Jan. 2006???
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-10-31 04:53:34 UTC
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Please. No Maas.
Hyerdahl
2005-10-31 05:27:13 UTC
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Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
Please. No Maas.


Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
l***@yahoo.com
2005-10-31 07:44:47 UTC
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Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
Hyerdahl
2005-11-01 03:52:12 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
c***@hotmail.com
2005-11-01 05:32:15 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
You cant stop progress ;-) and until women stop dressing as cock
controlling cunts lurring men to their prematures deaths in exchange
for fuck dolling you bet the rape hate will continue AT OUR LEISURE.

Remember that. ;-)
Robert Buchanan
2005-11-01 07:26:28 UTC
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Post by c***@hotmail.com
Post by Hyerdahl
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
You cant stop progress ;-) and until women stop dressing as cock
controlling cunts lurring men to their prematures deaths in exchange
for fuck dolling you bet the rape hate will continue AT OUR LEISURE.
Remember that. ;-)
connard, you wouldn't have the guts to rape a small animal.
--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.name/
http://del.icio.us/rbuchanan

Quote of the week:

"Copulation of two different sexes of the same species is generally
accepted as normal behaviour,. Occasionally a retarded child can be
produced in the process. This child is often termed a homosexual."

-Scribbler, <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
Hyerdahl
2005-11-01 14:37:05 UTC
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Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Post by Hyerdahl
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
You cant stop progress ;-) and until women stop dressing as cock
controlling cunts lurring men to their prematures deaths in exchange
for fuck dolling you bet the rape hate will continue AT OUR LEISURE.
Remember that. ;-)
I don't worry about dicks like 'contard'. He's 'small' spuds.
Post by Robert Buchanan
connard, you wouldn't have the guts to rape a small animal.
Hehehehe....You're right, Robert. Altho. his dick is apparently so
small, he wouldn't have to worry about getting it stuck in there. ;-)
BTW, love your quote.
Post by Robert Buchanan
--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.name/
http://del.icio.us/rbuchanan
"Copulation of two different sexes of the same species is generally
accepted as normal behaviour,. Occasionally a retarded child can be
produced in the process. This child is often termed a homosexual."
Robert Buchanan
2005-11-01 20:04:41 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Post by Hyerdahl
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men
in uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
You cant stop progress ;-) and until women stop dressing as cock
controlling cunts lurring men to their prematures deaths in
exchange for fuck dolling you bet the rape hate will continue AT
OUR LEISURE.
Remember that. ;-)
I don't worry about dicks like 'contard'. He's 'small' spuds.
To say the very...most!
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
connard, you wouldn't have the guts to rape a small animal.
Hehehehe....You're right, Robert. Altho. his dick is apparently so
small, he wouldn't have to worry about getting it stuck in there. ;-)
This is a guy who has advocated not only rape and murder, but also
necrophilia. He doesn't scream "endowed."
Post by Hyerdahl
BTW, love your quote.
Thanks. I always try to quote something especially egregious, insane,
stupid, and eye-catching. Being subbed to auk and ammj, I never fail.
--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.name/
http://del.icio.us/rbuchanan

Quote of the week:

"Copulation of two different sexes of the same species is generally
accepted as normal behaviour,. Occasionally a retarded child can be
produced in the process. This child is often termed a homosexual."

-Scribbler, <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
Hyerdahl
2005-11-01 23:27:26 UTC
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Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Post by Hyerdahl
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men
in uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
You cant stop progress ;-) and until women stop dressing as cock
controlling cunts lurring men to their prematures deaths in
exchange for fuck dolling you bet the rape hate will continue AT
OUR LEISURE.
Remember that. ;-)
I don't worry about dicks like 'contard'. He's 'small' spuds.
To say the very...most!
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
connard, you wouldn't have the guts to rape a small animal.
Hehehehe....You're right, Robert. Altho. his dick is apparently so
small, he wouldn't have to worry about getting it stuck in there. ;-)
This is a guy who has advocated not only rape and murder, but also
necrophilia. He doesn't scream "endowed."
Well, the dead can't complain. :-) Do you blame him?
Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by Hyerdahl
BTW, love your quote.
Thanks. I always try to quote something especially egregious, insane,
stupid, and eye-catching. Being subbed to auk and ammj, I never fail.
Success! :-)
Post by Robert Buchanan
--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.name/
http://del.icio.us/rbuchanan
"Copulation of two different sexes of the same species is generally
accepted as normal behaviour,. Occasionally a retarded child can be
produced in the process. This child is often termed a homosexual."
Robert Buchanan
2005-11-02 00:29:11 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Post by Hyerdahl
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing! In the meantime men
in uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
You cant stop progress ;-) and until women stop dressing as cock
controlling cunts lurring men to their prematures deaths in
exchange for fuck dolling you bet the rape hate will continue AT
OUR LEISURE.
Remember that. ;-)
I don't worry about dicks like 'contard'. He's 'small' spuds.
To say the very...most!
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
connard, you wouldn't have the guts to rape a small animal.
Hehehehe....You're right, Robert. Altho. his dick is apparently so
small, he wouldn't have to worry about getting it stuck in there. ;-)
This is a guy who has advocated not only rape and murder, but also
necrophilia. He doesn't scream "endowed."
Well, the dead can't complain. :-) Do you blame him?
Yes, only because no corpse should have to endure such indignity!
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Robert Buchanan
Post by Hyerdahl
BTW, love your quote.
Thanks. I always try to quote something especially egregious, insane,
stupid, and eye-catching. Being subbed to auk and ammj, I never fail.
Success! :-)
*thumbs up*
--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.name/
http://del.icio.us/rbuchanan

Quote of the week:

"Copulation of two different sexes of the same species is generally
accepted as normal behaviour,. Occasionally a retarded child can be
produced in the process. This child is often termed a homosexual."

-Scribbler, <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-11-05 22:45:13 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman issue?
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the ability to
beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you are willing to concede
that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the right to beat up their wives. We
make progress.
S***@aol.com
2005-11-05 23:12:02 UTC
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Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman issue?
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the ability to
beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you are willing to concede
that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the right to beat up their wives.
Are you serious?

Be careful.

You might end up very, very surprised....

That's why we call you shit for brains...


We
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
make progress.
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-11-05 23:43:51 UTC
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Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman issue?
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the ability to
beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you are willing to concede
that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the right to beat up their wives.
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?

Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule, isn't it?

Serious in saying that they have the right to?

You might be very very surprised.
Post by S***@aol.com
Be careful.
You might end up very, very surprised....
That's why we call you shit for brains...
And who is "we"?
Hyerdahl
2005-11-05 23:58:06 UTC
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Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman issue?
I don't think of it as a "straw man" issue, but rather, as an aside.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the ability to
beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you are willing to concede
that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the right to beat up their wives.
What "concession"? Men do beat up women, and that is against the law,
and even if a woman kills her abusive intimate partner, using
reasonable, even if deadly force, in self defense, that is ok with the
courts too. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
That men beat women up isn't an "ability"; it's a shame on those men.
Imagine getting a reputation for beating up women. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule, isn't it?
What is a general rule is that most society looks down on men who beat
up women.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
Assholes who think they have a right to beat up women usually find out
the hard way that they were....mistaken. In fact, if they spend some
time in jail, their 'fellow' inmates often teach those same men what it
feels like. And, if they miss going to jail, there's likely some gool
old boy willing to teach them.
Fred Hall
2005-11-06 02:27:34 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one
in one of your cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at
about the time that you became the former Mrs.
Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave
Sim's cock puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman
issue?
I don't think of it as a "straw man" issue, but rather, as an
aside.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the
ability to beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you
are willing to concede that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the
right to beat up their wives.
What "concession"? Men do beat up women, and that is against
the law, and even if a woman kills her abusive intimate partner,
using reasonable, even if deadly force, in self defense, that is
ok with the courts too. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
That men beat women up isn't an "ability"; it's a shame on those
men. Imagine getting a reputation for beating up women. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule,
isn't it?
What is a general rule is that most society looks down on men
who beat up women.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
Assholes who think they have a right to beat up women usually
find out the hard way that they were....mistaken. In fact, if
they spend some time in jail, their 'fellow' inmates often teach
those same men what it feels like. And, if they miss going to
jail, there's likely some gool old boy willing to teach them.
You learned this from personal experience?
m***@yahoo.com
2005-11-06 02:50:38 UTC
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Post by Fred Hall
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one
in one of your cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at
about the time that you became the former Mrs.
Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave
Sim's cock puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman
issue?
I don't think of it as a "straw man" issue, but rather, as an aside.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the
ability to beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you
are willing to concede that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the
right to beat up their wives.
What "concession"? Men do beat up women, and that is against
the law, and even if a woman kills her abusive intimate partner,
using reasonable, even if deadly force, in self defense, that is
ok with the courts too. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
That men beat women up isn't an "ability"; it's a shame on those
men. Imagine getting a reputation for beating up women. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule,
isn't it?
What is a general rule is that most society looks down on men
who beat up women.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
Assholes who think they have a right to beat up women usually
find out the hard way that they were....mistaken. In fact, if
they spend some time in jail, their 'fellow' inmates often teach
those same men what it feels like. And, if they miss going to
jail, there's likely some gool old boy willing to teach them.
You learned this from personal experience?
b***@yahoo.com
2005-11-06 04:17:25 UTC
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Post by Fred Hall
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by l***@yahoo.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one
in one of your cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at
about the time that you became the former Mrs.
Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave
Sim's cock puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman
issue?
I don't think of it as a "straw man" issue, but rather, as an aside.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the
ability to beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you
are willing to concede that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the
right to beat up their wives.
What "concession"? Men do beat up women, and that is against
the law, and even if a woman kills her abusive intimate partner,
using reasonable, even if deadly force, in self defense, that is
ok with the courts too. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
That men beat women up isn't an "ability"; it's a shame on those
men. Imagine getting a reputation for beating up women. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule, isn't it?
What is a general rule is that most society looks down on men
who beat up women.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
Assholes who think they have a right to beat up women usually
find out the hard way that they were....mistaken. In fact, if
they spend some time in jail, their 'fellow' inmates often teach
those same men what it feels like. And, if they miss going to
jail, there's likely some gool old boy willing to teach them.
You learned this from personal experience?
Art Deco
2005-11-06 04:22:09 UTC
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Hyerdahl
2005-11-06 22:11:09 UTC
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Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one
in one of your cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at
about the time that you became the former Mrs.
Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave
Sim's cock puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman
issue?
I don't think of it as a "straw man" issue, but rather, as an aside.
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Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the
ability to beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you
are willing to concede that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the
right to beat up their wives.
What "concession"? Men do beat up women, and that is against
the law, and even if a woman kills her abusive intimate partner,
using reasonable, even if deadly force, in self defense, that is
ok with the courts too. :-)
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Are you serious?
Quite serious.
Post by Fred Hall
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
That men beat women up isn't an "ability"; it's a shame on those
men. Imagine getting a reputation for beating up women. :-)
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule,
isn't it?
That people find women abusers knuckle dragging idiots? Pretty much.
What is a general rule is that most society looks down on men
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Post by Hyerdahl
who beat up women.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
Assholes who think they have a right to beat up women usually
find out the hard way that they were....mistaken. In fact, if
they spend some time in jail, their 'fellow' inmates often teach
those same men what it feels like. And, if they miss going to
jail, there's likely some gool old boy willing to teach them.
You learned this from personal experience?
No, but I bet you did. :-)
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-11-06 02:45:26 UTC
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Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one of your
cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the time
that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's cock
puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman issue?
I don't think of it as a "straw man" issue, but rather, as an aside.
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
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Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the ability to
beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you are willing to concede
that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the right to beat up their wives.
What "concession"?
Well, you said that men in uniform had better not beat up their wives,
so I naturally concluded that you were acknowledging that men OUT OF
UNIFORM had the right to beat up their wives. I didn't know that you
were going to go south on me now.
Post by Hyerdahl
Men do beat up women, and that is against the law,
and even if a woman kills her abusive intimate partner, using
reasonable, even if deadly force, in self defense, that is ok with the
courts too. :-)
Don't be silly, Puke.

Those courts are presided over largely by MALE patrilickers in black
robes. I'm surprised that you, of all people, would trust them.
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Post by S***@aol.com
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
That men beat women up isn't an "ability";
It isn't? Whether or not the ACT of beating up a woman is a thing to
be proud of or ashamed of remains to be seen, but having the prowess to
do so is unquestionably an ability. Abilities are values-neutral,
Puke.
Post by Hyerdahl
it's a shame on those men.
Don't try to impose your narrow-minded morality on others, Puke. Men
have a right to do what they want to with their bodies. It's called
"choice". Men have the right of choice, regardless of whether YOU like
it or not. You have no hand there.
Post by Hyerdahl
Imagine getting a reputation for beating up women. :-)
If it's a shame, why are you smiling? Shouldn't you be using a more
somber emoticon?
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule, isn't it?
What is a general rule is that most society looks down on men who beat
up women.
Don't be ridiculous, Puke. Again, you're relying upon those
patrilickers to protect your rights. Have you no sense of empowerment?
Post by Hyerdahl
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
Assholes who think they have a right to beat up women usually find out
the hard way that they were....mistaken.
But what about non-assholes who have this belief?
Post by Hyerdahl
In fact, if they spend some
time in jail, their 'fellow' inmates often teach those same men what it
feels like.
Well, I'm not so sure about that, Puke. I work with these people for a
living and you don't. None of the DV offenders that I've interviewed
while in custody have reported any trouble to me.

The past history of having engaged in domestic violence is fairly
common among the strata of men who are in custody. I don't know that
DV offenders are that far down the food chain in the eyes of their
fellow inmates, especially since so many of them have that history.
Post by Hyerdahl
And, if they miss going to jail, there's likely some gool
old boy willing to teach them.
Good heavens, Puke! Aren't "good old boys" right-wing beer-guzzling
blue collar types who vote for George W. Bush and who regard women as
sex objects? Aren't you the one who said that you never wanted to rely
on them to protect you? Aren't you the one who said that you weren't
going to fall for the ruse of good men protecting women from bad men?

Your whole argument here is that good men protect you from bad men.
You've fallen for the traditionalist party line.

And besides, you're placing yourself on a slippery slope. Violent
female offenders in custody are becoming more and more commonplace.

If a man who abuses a woman deserves himself to be physically abused
while in custody, then a woman who abuses a man deserves herself to be
physically abused.

So if a woman goes to prison for assaulting her husband with a deadly
weapon, your reasoning would allow a male prison guard to abuse her on
the grounds that she had it coming to her.
spooge
2005-11-06 20:53:27 UTC
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Please. No Maas.
Yes, dear. Were you once a cop, or did you play one in one
of your cartoons? :-)
Were you once a woman or did you lose your menses at about the
time that you became the former Mrs. Hemingway?
What does my menses or lack therof have to do with Dave Sim's
cock puppets? :-) Answer: Absolutely nothing!
Of course. Why else would you raise it as a strawman issue?
Post by Hyerdahl
In the meantime men in
uniform had better not beat up their wives, eh?
I'm glad that you acknowledge, for once, that men have the ability
to beat up women, Puke, and I'm also glad that you are willing to
concede that men OUT OF UNIFORM do have the right to beat up their
wives.
Are you serious?
Serious in saying that men have the ability to beat up women?
Granting the usual exceptions, it's true as a general rule, isn't it?
Serious in saying that they have the right to?
You might be very very surprised.
Post by S***@aol.com
Be careful.
You might end up very, very surprised....
That's why we call you shit for brains...
And who is "we"?
Apparently the "we" referred to for once includes a kook and the sane world
as well.

You are a shit for brains. A stupid shit-for-brains, to be more accurate.

And to illustrate that fact, here are 3 Grizzlie Antagonist quotes for all
to enjoy:

"Women have no sex drive."
Giant Attitude confesses to the entire world his inability to please a
woman in Message-ID: <***@web2news.com>

"Women have no sex drive. What do you want me to say? They don't have
one. They DON'T, that's all."
Giant Attitude confirms it in: Message-ID: <***@web2news.com>

"Women hate men; women hate male sexuality; women hate sex."
"Sex is a service which women perform for men."
Message-ID: <***@web2news.com>
--
When I'm God
Everyone dies
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-11-06 21:05:22 UTC
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Stooge returns to confirm that he can't please anyone.
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-11-06 21:05:45 UTC
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Stooge returns to confirm that he can't please anyone.
Daedalus
2005-11-08 20:46:41 UTC
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On 6 Nov 2005 13:05:45 -0800, "Grizzlie Antagonist"
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Stooge returns to confirm that he can't please anyone.
Drool much when you hear that bell, tubby?

Maybe it is time to visit soc.men agin.

Jade
Grizzlie Antagonist
2005-11-09 03:46:21 UTC
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Post by Daedalus
On 6 Nov 2005 13:05:45 -0800, "Grizzlie Antagonist"
Post by Grizzlie Antagonist
Stooge returns to confirm that he can't please anyone.
Drool much when you hear that bell, tubby?
Not really. I just ate. Besides, eating stooge probably doesn't help
very much to build strong bodies 12 ways.
Post by Daedalus
Maybe it is time to visit soc.men agin.
Jade
Don't you get spanked enough as it is?

Mr. F. Le Mur
2005-10-31 12:05:39 UTC
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Post by Scott Maas
"These are people that we hire from the human race, so a certain
percentage will be prone to domestic violence," Reichert said. "The
twist is that police officers are people in authority. They carry a
badge and a gun, and I truly believe it is more difficult for victims -
and 90 percent of the time it's females - to come forward," Reichert
said.
He's incorrect; either he's lying or he's fallen for the
propganda which the feds pay him to espouse.
Post by Scott Maas
Penny Harrington, a former Portland, Ore., police chief who helped
found the National Center for Women and Policing, an advocacy group
that seeks more women at all ranks of law enforcement, agreed.
No surprise that feminists agree with bullshit.
Hyerdahl
2005-11-01 03:57:02 UTC
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does it hurt losing your virginity?
c***@hotmail.com
2005-11-01 05:27:41 UTC
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does it hurt losing your virginity?
When the woman stuck the fingers up the anus it felt better. Did you
know most rad feminists dont get cock OR balls and that is why they
become rad feminists?

Did you know most rad feminists are grossly overweight, wear curtains
for clothes, have cavernous cunts and grow facial hair?

Sounds a lot like you dont it, "hy"? LOL

Meanwhile, I'll keep popping steroids meant for sheep and cattle, you
know the big 200ML bottles you buy from the animal shops with the label
"testosterone enanthate - for animal use only". LOL

I'm lactating at the moment, now all I need is an external womb a few
eggs and I'll be hack free!
Robert Buchanan
2005-11-01 07:24:50 UTC
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does it hurt losing your virginity?
When the woman stuck the fingers up the anus it felt better. Did you
know most rad feminists dont get cock OR balls and that is why they
become rad feminists?
Did you know most rad feminists are grossly overweight, wear curtains
for clothes, have cavernous cunts and grow facial hair?
Sounds a lot like you dont it, "hy"? LOL
Meanwhile, I'll keep popping steroids meant for sheep and cattle, you
know the big 200ML bottles you buy from the animal shops with the
label "testosterone enanthate - for animal use only". LOL
I'm lactating at the moment, now all I need is an external womb a few
eggs and I'll be hack free!
It's nice to see that you're as insane as ever, connard.
--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.name/
http://del.icio.us/rbuchanan

Quote of the week:

"Copulation of two different sexes of the same species is generally
accepted as normal behaviour,. Occasionally a retarded child can be
produced in the process. This child is often termed a homosexual."

-Scribbler, <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
S***@aol.com
2005-11-05 23:27:58 UTC
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Post by c***@hotmail.com
does it hurt losing your virginity?
When the woman stuck the fingers up the anus it felt better. Did you
know most rad feminists dont get cock OR balls and that is why they
become rad feminists?
Did you know most rad feminists are grossly overweight, wear curtains
for clothes, have cavernous cunts and grow facial hair?
Yes, you are absolutely right, I have noticed that.

Why do you think that is?

Every feminist I see IS ugly, hates men and simply can't get laid.

If they were pretty, they'd never have these problems.

Did you ever notice how the ugly ones always end up with black guys,
too?

I have.

That's cause they can't get a white guy, you know?
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Sounds a lot like you dont it, "hy"? LOL
Meanwhile, I'll keep popping steroids meant for sheep and cattle, you
know the big 200ML bottles you buy from the animal shops with the label
"testosterone enanthate - for animal use only". LOL
I'm lactating at the moment, now all I need is an external womb a few
eggs and I'll be hack free!
Hyerdahl
2005-11-01 14:38:50 UTC
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Hyerdahl
2005-11-01 23:31:48 UTC
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Hyerdahl, <***@aol.com>, whose name means "can't drive; researches
symptoms of tumors and serious illnesses then gets symptoms; small dick, fat
Have you ever used food items during sex? I have.
"" <""@alt.sex.wanted.brutal.dick-drinking>
2005-11-05 23:15:02 UTC
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***@aol.com, <***@aol.com>, whose name means "likes to
urinate in public; like an Italian breakfast bread roll, hollow on the
You REEALY REEEALY don't want to make me angry. I might give you a
verbal outburst.
"" <""@alt.sex.slab-sided.nips>
2005-11-05 23:32:32 UTC
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***@aol.com, <***@aol.com>, whose name means "has
physiological withdrawal states when not drinking alcohol; mean-spirited;
I am amazed that my knuckles don't bleed when I walk.
Hyerdahl
2005-11-06 00:02:43 UTC
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c***@hotmail.com
2005-11-06 03:40:13 UTC
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Post by Scott Maas
Father of woman murdered by police chief hopeful Congress will act on
domestic violence
By MATTHEW DALY
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
WASHINGTON -- As his daughter lay dying, Lane Judson promised her he
would do something about the often hidden problem of family violence
committed by police.
Crystal Judson Brame, was shot and killed by her estranged husband,
Tacoma Police Chief David Brame, who then killed himself.
The April 2003 shootings shook the state and led to a new law requiring
Washington police agencies to adopt tough policies regarding domestic
violence among their officers.
Now Judson wants Congress to adopt a similar law nationwide - a quest
that so far has been a tortuous education in how slow Congress can be.
But even as he and his wife Patty send stacks of letters urging
lawmakers to back their efforts, Judson remains upbeat - convinced the
couple's 2 1/2-year crusade will ultimately succeed.
"I am so optimistic something good is going to come out of this," the
70-year-old Judson said in an interview from his home in Gig Harbor.
"It just has to."
The up-and-down course of the legislation - which Judson originally
dubbed the Crystal Clear Act - was back on the upswing this month, as
the state's congressional delegation again pushed for a Justice
Department study of domestic violence programs that law enforcement
agencies provide for their officers.
In a letter signed by 10 of the state's 11 members of Congress,
Washington lawmakers urged leaders of the House and Senate judiciary
committees to back a federal study they said might help prevent
tragedies like that of Crystal Judson Brame.
The letter also encourages police departments to develop policies based
on a model created by the International Association of Chiefs of
Police.
The study is a far cry from Lane Judson's first impulse: to withhold
federal money from police departments that don't have effective
policies dealing with domestic violence by their officers.
Judson, a retired Boeing manager, gave up on that idea after local
members of Congress, including Democratic Reps. Norm Dicks and Jay
Inslee and Republican Rep. Dave Reichert, convinced him that a proposal
to cut police funding was unlikely to succeed.
"Whatever they come up with, I support 100 percent, because it's a step
in the right direction," Judson said.
Reichert, a former King County sheriff, said it should come as no
surprise that some police officers commit domestic violence.
"These are people that we hire from the human race, so a certain
percentage will be prone to domestic violence," Reichert said. "The
twist is that police officers are people in authority. They carry a
badge and a gun, and I truly believe it is more difficult for victims -
and 90 percent of the time it's females - to come forward," Reichert
said.
Penny Harrington, a former Portland, Ore., police chief who helped
found the National Center for Women and Policing, an advocacy group
that seeks more women at all ranks of law enforcement, agreed.
Harrington said the Brame case highlights the dangers of police family
violence. Like David Brame, most police officers have access to weapons
and know how to use them, Harrington said.
"All too frequently, it escalates into a fatal situation," she said.
Many officers also know where domestic violence shelters are and may
have access to police computers that make it easier to track a woman
down, said Harrington.
While exact statistics don't exist, Harrington said two studies
indicate that as many as 40 percent of police families experience
domestic violence or abuse - four times the rate of the general
population.
"Police hate to investigate their brother officers," Harrington said.
"That's part of the problem. Families are afraid to report, and they
are afraid that nothing will be done if they do report it."
The International Association of Chiefs of Police created its model
policy two years ago so departments large and small can develop their
own guidelines, said Gene Voegtlin, a spokesman for the Virginia-based
police chiefs group. Voegtlin declined to comment on the figures cited
by Harrington.
"The question of domestic violence by police officers obviously is a
critical one, and one we care about."
Voegtlin said he was not sure how many of the nation's 14,000
municipal, county and state police agencies have policies on domestic
violence, but said anecdotal evidence indicates the number is
increasing.
A survey of 123 police agencies conducted in the 1990s indicated that
fewer than half had such policies.
That could change as a result of the Brame case, Washington lawmakers
say - if for no other reason than self-protection, as local officials
ponder potentially huge liability in the event of a similar tragedy.
Last month, the city of Tacoma approved a $12 million payment and other
provisions to settle a lawsuit filed by the Judson family. The suit
claimed, among other things, that city officials never investigated
allegations that Brame abused his wife; did not protect her despite
repeated complaints; and promoted Brame despite a failed psychological
examination and a rape claim against him.
"The city took a bath on this," said George Behan, chief of staff to
Rep. Dicks. "The emperor had no clothes, because they could not claim
they were ignorant of the case."
The Judsons live in Dicks' district and have worked closely with him on
the police bill.
Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash, who represents Tacoma, said Lane Judson was
"doing an outstanding job of shining a light on a very important
issue."
The Brame case shows the need to make sure police departments are aware
of abuse that goes on in their departments and are prepared to prevent
it or stop it once it starts, Smith said.
Judson often recalls his hospital promise to his daughter, as he and
other family members press their campaign for a federal law.
Crystal, 35, couldn't talk, but the family knew she could hear.
"She would squeeze my hand. I told her, 'Crystal, I will do everything
I can so this won't happen again,'" Judson said.
After Crystal died, Judson said he thought there was less than a 5
percent chance that Congress would do something. He now puts the odds
about 50-50.
"My goal is to make sure that no one ever feels like Crystal, with
nowhere to turn," he said. "It's starting to become a reality."
Which black ops loses his job in early Jan. 2006???
--
PLEASE POST MORE!
Hyerdahl
2005-11-06 23:14:51 UTC
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