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The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
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Hyerdahl1
2004-12-21 15:05:07 UTC
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SNOW: While the murder of Laci Peterson and her unborn baby were widely
reported, homicide's of pregnant women are not specifically tracked. But a
Washington Post investigation found that since 1990, more than 1,300 pregnant
women and new mothers were murdered and a 2001 study in Maryland found homicide
was the leading cause of death among pregnant women.

The report cites in most cases men committed the murders. In the few cases
where women killed another woman for a baby, forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael
Stone says he found a common thread.


Updated: 12:44 AM EST
How Common is Murder of Pregnant Women?
By Jonathan Mann, Jonathan Freed, Sandra Olivas, Mary Snow, AP

By Jonathan Mann, Jonathan Freed, Sandra Olivas, Mary Snow

xfdci INSIGHT-01

Show: INSIGHT>

Date: December 20, 2004>

Time: 23:00:00>

Tran: 122001cb.k01>

Type: Show>

Head: How Common is Murder of Pregnant Women?>

Sect: News, International>

Byline: Jonathan Mann, Jonathan Freed, Sandra Olivas, Mary Snow>

Guest: Donna St. George, Michael Stone>

High: A look at the crime of murder during pregnancy.>

Spec: Murder; Crime; Kidnapping>

Time: 23:00:00>



Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
g***@yahoo.com
2004-12-21 15:51:12 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
SNOW: While the murder of Laci Peterson and her unborn baby were widely
reported, homicide's of pregnant women are not specifically tracked. But a
<yawn> I wonder why. Not enough interest?
Post by Hyerdahl1
Washington Post investigation found that since 1990, more than 1,300 pregnant
women and new mothers were murdered and a 2001 study in Maryland found homicide
was the leading cause of death among pregnant women.
Yup, it's confirmed. The subject is thoroughly uninteresting.
Post by Hyerdahl1
The report cites in most cases men committed the murders.
Well of course they did. In fact, I'm going to bag a preggo today, if
I have time. You can always find them hanging around the WIC center,
and they're so unsuspecting. I'm debating whether to snipe them from a
nearby rooftop, since preggos are large targets. Or I may get close
and use my silenced 0.22. There's always a drive-by, but police
generally think it's gang-related, so you'll more likely get caught.

I mean, who did the post think were the primary killers of preggos?
Other women? Hardly. Even if women wanted them dead, most wouldn't
have the initiative to get it done.
Post by Hyerdahl1
In the few cases
where women killed another woman for a baby, forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael
Stone says he found a common thread.
Which is?

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howldog
2004-12-21 16:33:31 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
SNOW: While the murder of Laci Peterson and her unborn baby were
widely
Post by Hyerdahl1
reported, homicide's of pregnant women are not specifically tracked.
But a
<yawn> I wonder why. Not enough interest?
Post by Hyerdahl1
Washington Post investigation found that since 1990, more than 1,300
pregnant
Post by Hyerdahl1
women and new mothers were murdered and a 2001 study in Maryland
found homicide
Post by Hyerdahl1
was the leading cause of death among pregnant women.
Yup, it's confirmed. The subject is thoroughly uninteresting.
unless you have an agenda of "women should buy guns to kill men".
because this article fuels the extremist fire of "all men are
potential wife-killers", if you view EXTREMIST BEHAVIOUR AS THE NORM.

Parg obviously does. She's really beginning to lose it on here with
agenda of DEATH FOR MEN.

I've met dozens and dozens of pregnant women in my life, maybe
hundreds of them. Any of them been killed? Nope.

It does happen obviously. theres stupid and sick people out there. men
kill men and men kill women; women kill men and women kill women.
Hyerdahl1
2004-12-21 18:44:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/21/2004 8:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
Post by g***@yahoo.com
Post by Hyerdahl1
SNOW: While the murder of Laci Peterson and her unborn baby were
widely reported, homicide's of pregnant women are not specifically tracked.
But a
Post by g***@yahoo.com
<yawn> I wonder why. Not enough interest?
I'd say the interest level is growing; even in women-hating countries like
Mexico, women are demanding their lives be counted by more effort to find male
murderers of women. Here in the US tracing bitter boy serial killers is a
hobby for some and a passion for others. :-)
Post by g***@yahoo.com
Post by Hyerdahl1
Washington Post investigation found that since 1990, more than
1,300>pregnant>> women and new mothers were murdered and a 2001 study in
Maryland>>found homicide> was the leading cause of death among pregnant women.
Post by g***@yahoo.com
Yup, it's confirmed. The subject is thoroughly uninteresting.
To you? You are uninteresting dear. Even your cartoon theories have failed to
sell, eh?
Post by g***@yahoo.com
unless you have an agenda of "women should buy guns to kill men".because this
article fuels the extremist fire of "all men are>potential wife-killers", if
you view EXTREMIST BEHAVIOUR AS THE NORM.
Not at all. Gun collecting is simply a worthier hobby for married women these
days. And self defense courses for women are hot...hot..hot. And here's an
example of the increased popularity of such courses!


Self defense classes for women proliferate
By Aetna Smith


Alexandra Relias, 23, a Manhattan paralegal, kicks a red shield with her
partner and then pummels a body bag. Relias, about 5 feet 9, with a muscular
build, doesn't look like the type anybody would mess with.

But looks are deceiving. Relias was mugged a few years ago in London. She ran
after her attackers and got elbowed in the face. Now, she admits that was a bad
idea. Instead, she says, she should have given them her purse without a fight.

Relias, like scores of women at the Tiger Shulmann Karate Center on West 19th
Street in Manhattan, are learning how to defend themselves. "Self defense
classes are important because, if you get attacked on the street and know close
range defense techniques, you won't be crying and in shock if someone attacks
you," she says, breathing deeply after a recent practice session. "You'll have
gotten used to it from class."

The Tiger Shulmann Karate shop is one of over 100 schools in the Manhattan area
where women go for self defense training. Outfitted in white karate uniforms,
men and women of all ages jump rope, bang punching bags, and simulate throat
grabs. Shulmann karate incorporates tae-kwon-do, jiu-jitsu, and boxing.

Street crime, domestic violence, and a desire to be more physically fit
currently drive women to join self defense training programs. A 1998 study
shows that one out of every six American women have been the victims of an
attempted or completed rape in their lifetime, says the National Institute of
Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Self-defense training for women is a growing industry. Martial arts centers
offer lessons that cost as much as golf lessons at expensive country clubs.
Students pay $16 to $25 an hour, with some attending five times a week. Even
Hollywood has picked up on its popularity and money-making potential.

"Charlie's Angels," a movie that featured three women as martial arts experts,
made more than $125 million at the box office two years ago. This summer,
Jennifer Lopez stars in "Enough," a film about a young woman who learns self
defense to protect herself from an abusive husband. Producers of the film
anticipate a box office hit.

Robin Phillips, a journalist, began taking Shulmann karate for the exercise.
But, she says, she also enjoys learning the contact sparring techniques and
knowing what to do if she gets attacked.

"Classes build confidence because you're more aware of your surroundings,"
Phillips says from her home in Hoboken, N.J. "A lot of people in karate know
what to do in a bad situation. You don't look like a victim, so you don't
become one."

Just two subway stops from the Shulmann gym, the Renzo Gracie Brazilian
Jiu-Jitsu shop packs in more than 20 students a night. Gracie, the owner,
teaches a class three times a week. After classroom instruction, his students
practice complicated wrestling moves called submission grappling.

The moves incorporate wrestling techniques including joint locks in which
students learn to break the arms, wrists, or ankles of a potential attacker.
Renzo Gracie jiu-jitsu emphasizes ground fighting.

"If you don't spend time on the ground and then get into that position, the
opponent will finish you or make you give up," says Magno Gama, a Gracie
student who also teaches beginner classes. "You have to know grappling. Without
a background in ground fighting, you'll be out of business."

Gama says many women think that martial arts is fancy kicking and jumping. But,
as he explains in a voice with the hint of a Brazilian accent, jiu-jitsu is
more body to body contact and some women find that intimidating. But he says
that women tend to like it, because it's not based on brute strength, but on
"balance, tightness and technique."

"If you do a tae-bo class where you punch the air or take a boxing class where
you hit the heavy bag and don't spar, you not learning very much," says Jason
Yang, 23, a Columbia University law student and Gracie student. "With Brazilian
jiu-jitsu, the contact teaches you timing, how to control your body and control
someone else if you're being attacked."

Some women enjoy the toughness of jiu-jitsu.

Maria Hadginikitas, 31, an account development representative for a financial
services firm, talks on the mat at Renzo Gracie's gym between workouts with a
male partner. She likes the class even though she's suffered a broken rib and
had to recuperate for three months.

"A lot of women are afraid of close contact, but it's a mental challenge for
me," says Hadginikitas, a petite woman with dark braided hair. "The roughness
and tumbling, it makes me feel like a kid again."

Shana Griffin, a 25-year-old Shulmann karate student, likes the sport for the
high she gets after a strenuous session. "I can do anthing after class," she
says. "The adrenaline rush is great!"



Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
howldog
2004-12-21 19:05:42 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Post by g***@yahoo.com
unless you have an agenda of "women should buy guns to kill men".because this
article fuels the extremist fire of "all men are>potential wife-killers", if
you view EXTREMIST BEHAVIOUR AS THE NORM.
Not at all. Gun collecting is simply a worthier hobby for married women these
days.
thats your opinion, and once again, you claim to speak for all women,
that you know what is best for them.

and I'm saying you dont and you're fuct up beyond belief.

to the article you posted, great, yeah, self-defense, thats a much
more practical and more smart CHOICE than a fucking gun which has a
good chance of blowing your own head off.
Hyerdahl1
2004-12-21 19:05:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/21/2004 11:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
unless you have an agenda of "women should buy guns to kill men".because
this>article fuels the extremist fire of "all men are>potential wife-killers",
if
you view EXTREMIST BEHAVIOUR AS THE NORM.
Post by Hyerdahl1
Not at all. Gun collecting is simply a worthier hobby for married women
these>>days.
thats your opinion, and once again, you claim to speak for all women,
that you know what is best for them.
I know that having self defense training, with or without gun training, is
better for all women than not having it. How's that?
and I'm saying you dont and you're fuct up beyond belief.
I don't care what you think of me, dear. You and your microscopic dick should
simply pose as characters in a Dave Sim cartoon.
to the article you posted, great, yeah, self-defense, thats a much more
practical and more smart CHOICE than a fucking gun which has a>good chance of
blowing your own head off.

Well, isn't it great that women have the choice? I mean some women may want to
take self defense courses that include gun use, and others may not. It's not
YOUR choice, dear; it's theirs.
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
howldog
2004-12-21 19:24:03 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
I know that having self defense training, with or without gun training, is
better for all women than not having it. How's that?
for once we agree on something.
Post by Hyerdahl1
Post by howldog
and I'm saying you dont and you're fuct up beyond belief.
I don't care what you think of me, dear. You and your microscopic dick should
simply pose as characters in a Dave Sim cartoon.
LOL! the tiny dick jokes. how original. and coupled with Dave Sim!

two things you are completely obsessed with; penis size and dave sim.
Post by Hyerdahl1
Post by howldog
to the article you posted, great, yeah, self-defense, thats a much more
practical and more smart CHOICE than a fucking gun which has a>good chance of
blowing your own head off.
Well, isn't it great that women have the choice?
do i think its GREAT that my daughter, when she is 18, can walk down
to a pawn shop and legally buy an instrument of destruction that may
well end up putting her into the morgue? No i dont think thats too
great. I think guns suck. Too many of my friends are six feet under
because of them.

Like I said. Your own personal lack of experience with a gun in a life
threatening situation makes it easy for you to preach what others need
to do. You are oblivious to your own idiocy.

Same as it ever was.

I'm tired of you.

Goodbye... for awhile.
Lady Chatterly
2004-12-21 19:33:30 UTC
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Post by howldog
Post by Hyerdahl1
I know that having self defense training, with or without gun training, is
better for all women than not having it. How's that?
for once we agree on something.
Post by Hyerdahl1
and I'm saying you dont and you're fuct up beyond belief.
I don't care what you think of me, dear. You and your microscopic dick should
simply pose as characters in a Dave Sim cartoon.
LOL! the tiny dick jokes. how original. and coupled with Dave Sim!
Are you going to cry?
Post by howldog
two things you are completely obsessed with; penis size and dave sim.
Post by howldog
Post by Hyerdahl1
to the article you posted, great, yeah, self-defense, thats a much more
practical and more smart CHOICE than a fucking gun which has a>good chance of
blowing your own head off.
Well, isn't it great that women have the choice?
do i think its GREAT that my daughter, when she is 18, can walk down
to a pawn shop and legally buy an instrument of destruction that may
well end up putting her into the morgue? No i dont think thats too
great. I think guns suck. Too many of my friends are six feet under
because of them.
Are you sorry you do not think that is too great?
Post by howldog
Like I said. Your own personal lack of experience with a gun in a life
threatening situation makes it easy for you to preach what others need
to do. You are oblivious to your own idiocy.
Why should it matter to you if they are oblivious to their own idiocy?
Post by howldog
Same as it ever was.
I'm tired of you.
I am sure you are tired of they.

--
Lady Chatterly

"Whoops! You are lying about that because doc's bot morphs its e-mail
addy several times a day. With you being a PRoP nazi as well as a
known troublemaker, I suspect you are well aware of who is running
this bot and you are trying to distract attention." -- The Cunning
Linguist :Þ
howldog
2004-12-21 19:13:01 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Here in the US tracing bitter boy serial killers is a
hobby for some and a passion for others. :-)
oh thats cute. Here in the US, a bitter bytch serial killer was
glorified by leftist hollywhorewood and made in to a movie, "monster"
and every conceivable excusal for her behavior dragged into the plot.

but we dont hate men here.

I bet you saw that movie and loved it.
Hyerdahl1
2004-12-22 00:24:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/21/2004 11:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
Post by Hyerdahl1
Post by Hyerdahl1
Here in the US tracing bitter boy serial killers is a
hobby for some and a passion for others. :-)
oh thats cute. Here in the US, a bitter bytch serial killer was
glorified by leftist hollywhorewood and made in to a movie, "monster"
and every conceivable excusal for her behavior dragged into the plot.
but we dont hate men here.
I bet you saw that movie and loved it.
Actually, I didn't see it; I usually prefer fact to fiction, and even when
there's some scintilla of truth in it, I also avoid sci-fi.
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
Jesse
2004-12-22 03:27:43 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Here in the US tracing bitter boy serial killers is a
hobby for some and a passion for others. :-)
oh that's cute. Here in the US, a bitter bytch serial killer was
glorified by leftist hollywhorewood and made in to a movie, "monster"
and every conceivable excusable for her behavior dragged into the plot.
but we don't hate men here.
I bet you saw that movie and loved it.
I watched part of that movie on HBO or the like not long ago. It was a
classic about an ugly girl who was first rejected by men and then abused by
them. Of coarse it was not her fault she turned into a psycho. It was
rather disgusting how they tried to make the audience feel compassion for
her instead of casting her as the deranged killer she was.
Ian
2004-12-22 14:47:58 UTC
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They shouldn't try to trap a man through lying about contraception
should they?

They should fucking well ask him before they plan to use the law to
steal his
house, wages and pension.

It's so obvious Parg. If they don't want the funeral, don't commit the
crime.
Hyerdahl1
2004-12-22 16:25:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 6:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
They shouldn't try to trap a man through lying about contraception>should
they?

Lying about sex is a well-known ploy of men trying to get sexual favor. I
don't think you want to take a survey or do a study on who (w/m) lies more
about sex, do you? :-)
They should fucking well ask him before they plan to use the law tosteal his
house, wages and pension.
Ask him what? Both women and men risk childbirth when they engage in
unprotected sex, no? Women need not "ask men" anything at all in order to
exercise their own rights over their own bodies. You're just living in a
slave/master 'phantasy' dear.
It's so obvious Parg. If they don't want the funeral, don't commit the crime.
What "funeral"? Women thrive in the glory of their own choices, dear. Too bad
bitter boys feel stifled in their own choices. As to the murdered pregnant
women, their husbands could have been killed in self defense, had those women
thought ahead or those men will be killed by the state so no other women need
experience their anger, eh?



Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
Ian
2004-12-22 18:17:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 6:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
They shouldn't try to trap a man through lying about
contraception>should
Post by Hyerdahl1
they?
Lying about sex is a well-known ploy of men trying to get sexual favor. I
don't think you want to take a survey or do a study on who (w/m) lies more
about sex, do you? :-)
No. Because as we know from experiments with women and
lie detectors, we just can't get the truth out of them
without some pretty nasty hours in a white noise chamber,
and a few days in stress positions.
Post by Hyerdahl1
They should fucking well ask him before they plan to use the law tosteal his
house, wages and pension.
Ask him what? Both women and men risk childbirth when they engage in
unprotected sex, no? Women need not "ask men" anything at all in order to
exercise their own rights over their own bodies. You're just living in a
slave/master 'phantasy' dear.
I beg to differ. I'm not the one getting murdered for
lying or blackmail. I was only pointing out why women
are getting bumped off. The behaviour leaves them asking
for it, doesn't it?
Post by Hyerdahl1
It's so obvious Parg. If they don't want the funeral, don't commit the crime.
What "funeral"? Women thrive in the glory of their own choices, dear. Too bad
Really? The post's about women being murdered. This is
your definition of thriving is it?
Post by Hyerdahl1
bitter boys feel stifled in their own choices. As to the murdered pregnant
women, their husbands could have been killed in self defense, had those women
thought ahead or those men will be killed by the state so no other women need
experience their anger, eh?
You have some problems, seek help.

No amount of law, can stop a man reacting to a physiological
stimulus in the natural way. No amount of stops women either.
We could make lying have the death penalty, and women still
wouldn't be able to tell the truth.

You are forever applying what you think I mean about what
I write. There's no value judgement here. Women lie to men,
men kill them for it, because of the consequences. What's
so difficult to understand. Anyone would think I was happy
about the situation from the way you rant on.
Ben
2004-12-22 19:35:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 6:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
They shouldn't try to trap a man through lying about
contraception>should
Post by Hyerdahl1
they?
Lying about sex is a well-known ploy of men trying to get sexual favor. I
don't think you want to take a survey or do a study on who (w/m) lies more
about sex, do you? :-)
Already been done. Women lie to give people the impression they've
slept with *fewer* people than they actually have, and men do the
reverse.

But let's talk about the consequences of some of the sexual lies, shall
we? Such as being deceived into thinking a child that isn't yours
belongs to you? How about lying about taking birth control, thereby
obligating someone at the very least financially, for years, when that
person didn't really want to undertake that obligation? Or, because
it's a sexual lie, who files more false rape claims, men or women? Let
me know when you'd like to compare lies.

We usually hold liars accountable for the consequences of their lies.
We don't do this with women why?
Post by Hyerdahl1
They should fucking well ask him before they plan to use the law tosteal his
house, wages and pension.
Ask him what? Both women and men risk childbirth when they engage in
unprotected sex, no?
Men have a much greater risk of being lied to, and a far greater level
of accountability afterwards.
Ian
2004-12-22 21:25:48 UTC
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Actually not true. Women give the same answer as men, when they
think they're being put on a lie detector.
Ben
2004-12-23 03:00:15 UTC
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Post by Ian
Actually not true. Women give the same answer as men, when they
think they're being put on a lie detector.
You're right, I'd forgotten about the lie detector part of it. But the
differences were fairly dramatic until then.
Hyerdahl1
2004-12-23 05:01:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 7:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
Actually not true. Women give the same answer as men, when they> think they're
being put on a lie detector.

Answers aren't actually as good as FACTS either way; the facts indicate that
almost all pregnant women who are killed are killed by men, when the killer is
found.
You're right, I'd forgotten about the lie detector part of it. But
the>differences were fairly dramatic until then.
Lie detectors have nothing at all to do with which sex kills pregnant women the
most.
The FACTS don't lie.
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
i***@hotmail.com
2004-12-23 05:16:36 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 7:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
Actually not true. Women give the same answer as men, when they> think they're
being put on a lie detector.
Answers aren't actually as good as FACTS either way; the facts
indicate that
Post by Hyerdahl1
almost all pregnant women who are killed are killed by men, when the killer is
found.
You're right, I'd forgotten about the lie detector part of it. But
the>differences were fairly dramatic until then.
Lie detectors have nothing at all to do with which sex kills pregnant women the
most.
The FACTS don't lie.
It is only a bad thing if the pregnant woman did not deserve to die.
And there is no baby yet, right?
Post by Hyerdahl1
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is
required.
Post by Hyerdahl1
(Secret Life of Bees)
i***@hotmail.com
2004-12-23 05:22:27 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 7:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
Actually not true. Women give the same answer as men, when they> think they're
being put on a lie detector.
Answers aren't actually as good as FACTS either way; the facts
indicate that
Post by Hyerdahl1
almost all pregnant women who are killed are killed by men, when the killer is
found.
You're right, I'd forgotten about the lie detector part of it. But
the>differences were fairly dramatic until then.
Lie detectors have nothing at all to do with which sex kills pregnant women the
most.
The FACTS don't lie.
But it is only a bad thing if the pregnant woman did not deserve to
die. And there is no child being killed, right?
Post by Hyerdahl1
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is
required.
Post by Hyerdahl1
(Secret Life of Bees)
Ben
2004-12-23 10:46:06 UTC
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Here's another fact: You were babbling about who tells the most
sexually related lies, not who kills the most pregnant women (at least,
the part I was responding to). If you can't handle the truth, just say
so...don't adopt this chickenshit tactic of changing gears and trying
to make it look like it's related to the original post.
Hyerdahl1
2004-12-23 15:33:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/23/2004 2:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
Here's another fact: You were babbling about who tells the most
sexually related lies, not who kills the most pregnant women (at least,
the part I was responding to). If you can't handle the truth, just say
so...don't adopt this chickenshit tactic of changing gears and trying
to make it look like it's related to the original post.
???? I wasn't the person who brought up lie detector testing, but it's just
like you to accuse me for it. :-) And, that doesn't change the FACT that of
those pregnant women killed, it is MEN who, primarily, do the killing, and
usually, the men they are supposed to trust the most, eh?
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
Ben
2004-12-23 22:12:21 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/23/2004 2:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
Here's another fact: You were babbling about who tells the most
sexually related lies, not who kills the most pregnant women (at least,
the part I was responding to). If you can't handle the truth, just say
so...don't adopt this chickenshit tactic of changing gears and trying
to make it look like it's related to the original post.
???? I wasn't the person who brought up lie detector testing, but it's just
like you to accuse me for it. :-)
And where did you read me accusing you of bringing up the lie detector?
I was responding to your cutesy remark trying to imply that men tell
more sexual lies than women. You, as usual, changed the subject and
darted away when you realized you were on extremely thin ice.

With regards to killing pregnant women, most of the offenders would be
men. But I bet that women are leading in the "butchering pregnant
women to steal the baby" category. And as lesbian relationships become
more mainstream, I'm sure we'll see women close that "murdering your
pregnant partner" gap.

And, that doesn't change the FACT that of
Post by Hyerdahl1
those pregnant women killed, it is MEN who, primarily, do the
killing, and
Post by Hyerdahl1
usually, the men they are supposed to trust the most, eh?
If you'd like to talk about issues of male/female betrayal, feel free
to open a new thread. I'd love to debate that one.
Ian
2005-01-03 19:03:50 UTC
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Most men are killed by lack of medical funding.
Hyerdahl3
2005-01-27 18:14:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 1/3/2005 11:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Most men are killed by lack of medical funding.
There's a huge difference between homicides and death by Bush. :-)
USA
2005-01-27 18:26:15 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl3
Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 1/3/2005 11:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Most men are killed by lack of medical funding.
There's a huge difference between homicides and death by Bush. :-)
What does that have to do with men -- "death by bush" occurs primarily
amongst lesbian partners.
Marken von der Tardsugen
2005-01-27 18:25:56 UTC
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On 27 Jan 2005 18:14:09 GMT,
Post by Hyerdahl3
There's a huge difference between homicides and death by Bush. :-)
We k00ks NEVER stop giving each other blow jobs all over the net
thinking we are impressing people with your GIANT intellects.

--
Marken von der Tardsugen

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MCP
2005-01-28 10:48:29 UTC
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Despite her self-proclaimed "prowess" in debate, Pork2000 can't debate at
all.
As soon as you post something she doesn't like or can't answer, she will
spit
out a fairly predictable response or set of responses. For your
convenience, I
have collected these responses and called them "Stupid Pork Tricks." I have
identified them by number, so you can simply refer to the number of the
idiotic
trick the next time she uses it.
Or, reprint the whole list! Feel free to suggest additions to the list; I
will post updates periodically.

As you can see, Pork-o's predicable replies could probably be automated by a
fairly simple algorithm. It probably would not even require artificial
intelligence to design the algorithm. :-D

When someone posts something in soc.men, Pork2000 will do one or more of the
following:

1. change the wording,
2. call you a "linear thinker,"
3. insist that no proof is necessary because it is "common sense,"
4. claim she never said what she said,
5. ask totally foolish and irrelevant questions as a vain attempt at
diversion,
6. change the subject,
7. accuse you of defamation,
8. claim you are incompetent in your profession,
9. berate the members of your family,
10. post more lies,
11. claim that nothing is simple (in the same post that she says something
is
very
simple),
12. refer to a nonexistent "judge,"
13. give you anecdotes about her friends,
14. give you anecdotes about her "daughter,"
15. claim that women comprise "just over 51% of eligible voters" in the USA,
16. claim that women can do everything men can do PLUS gestate,
17. claim that boys can't BE boys,
18. claim that boys have behavior problems,
19. call women who disagree with her "Pussy Keeper chattel,"
20. refer to her "patriarchal poppa" and then claim that she does not hate
her
father,
21. rant about how she, a "humble pizza person," can defeat you in debate
(despite her having made a complete fool of herself),
22. state that you never asked her a question that required her to prove
anything, cite to any text, or offer any evidence (often in the same posting
when she has demanded proof),
23. tell you that you will have to live a "Taliban existence,"
24. tell you something "is what it is,"
25. tell you that you will have to get a bride from Thailand or Russia
(often
while berating Thai and Russian women),
26. tell you that the only wife you will ever have will be "inflatible,"
27. claim that you don't know the difference between a human fetus and a
born
child,
28. equate sperm to human embryos and human fetuses,
29. claim that the human fetus is a "parasite,"
30. LIE that "2/3 of embryonic attachments spontaneously abort,"
31. say that she has NO GREATER DUTY to provide any proof,
32. tell you she knows the candidate for whom you will vote,
33. proceed to disparage the above-named candidate,
34. make repeated, unnecessary, and untrue statements about how you work for
your father's law firm, thus defaming you in your profession,
35. make some stupid remark about "that and $3 will buy a cuppa,"
36. tinell you about the abortifacient herbs she is growing in her garden,
37. refer to her "life's work" (i.e., spreading misandry),
38. claim that she does not read material on Web sites for which URLs are
posted in soc.men,
39. accuse you of copyright infringement,
40. accuse you of "stealing" another's words,
41. defend her own plagiarism by claiming it's OK because "everyone does
it,"
42. claim that she has never once said anything hateful about men, boys, or
fathers,
43. denigrate your religion,
44. refer to Paul, the great Christian Apostle, as a "misogynist,"
45. report that vast numbers of women are joining "wicca" and "egalitarian"
churches, but fail to offer any support for this claim,
46. refer to women who are Christians as "double dippers," despite the fact
that Pork-a-dork doesn't even know them,
47. deny that she comes here to disrupt discussion and harass men,
48. tell you about some "artificial womb" research in the UK, only to deny
it
later,
49. tell you about her "friend" who kept killing her unborn children until a
"girl" was conceived in her womb and then proceeded to dump her husband,
50. tell you about how "equal" and "fair" family [destruction] courts are,
51. spout the old "primary caregiver" nonsense,
52. refer to "what's between their legs" ad nauseum,
53. make totally inaccurate statements using legal terms of art,
54. whine about how "pre-Christians" killed the "goddess,"
55. refer to "penis standards,"
56. refer to "penis-coated glasses,"
57. call you a "misogynist,"
58. demonstrate a fixation on the male genitals,
59. refer to a "potty patrol,"
60. say "there is NO child until there is a child,"
61. spout worthless tautologies,
62. glory in the fact that she and her mate are not married but, instead,
are
lifelong fornicators,
63. accuse you of not knowing what words mean,
64. criticize you for mentioning what you do for a living, while claiming to
have had "careers" and "positions" that she is obviously incompetent ever to
have held,
65. ask, "do you have a case?",
66. say smugly, "Well, I'd have to see a case about . . .",
67. refer to "Johnny Spermalseed,"
68. rant about some nonexistent California "castle law,"
69. mention "constitutional" rights, as if they were the only kind of rights
to
exist,
70. claim to hear a "death rattle" of patriarchy, while fully enjoying the
benefits and protections of patriarchy,
71. imply threats because she "packs her own 'heat',"
72. claim that "all doctors" know something (with absolutely no factual
support
for her claim),
73. denounce other races and ethnic groups while simultaneously denying that
she is a racist or ethnocentrist,
74. ask to "whose morality" you refer,
75. ask to "whose truth" you refer,
76. claim that everything is relative (not realizing that such a claim is
self-contradictory),
77. beg the question,
78. ignore the counter-argument,
79. confuse cause and effect,
80. spout "correlation does not equal causation" mindlessly,
81. state that "POVERTY causes crime" (again, with no facts to prove this
statement),
82. claim that fathers are not important in their children's lives,
83. accuse you of not understanding the difference between CIVIL RIGHTS and
mere social choices,
84. pretend not to be female,
85. claim that women have NO GREATER DUTY not to bash men (with no
explanation
about how this statement relates to anything under discussion),
86. assert, with no proof whatsoever, that many more women have died in
childbirth than all men who have died in all wars in the history of the
world,
87. ignore feminist hate propaganda, even when you point it out to her,
88. claim, without support, that all women are feminists just because they
may
happen to vote or own property,
89. pretend not to know who her other aliases are,
90. denounce C4M, while supporting abortion on demand,
91. imply that children are property,
92. dismiss your comments as a "denigration attempt," when you post
something
that she can't refute,
93. dismiss your comments as "denigration alone," when you post something
that
she can't refute,
94. when faced with a question with the word dogma in it, she usually
replies,
"my karma ran over my dogma......",
95. uses silly analogies to distract from the real debate and to twist it
into
whatever serves her purpose,
96. when defeated in a debate, which has happened many, many, many times
here
on Soc. Men, Parg never admits to it,
97. whine about your alleged "self-aggrandizement," merely because she has
no
debate and no legal credentials,
98. commit defamation per se in numerous formats,
99. conclude that men named as suspects of crimes have been convicted of
those
crimes, before the men even go to trial--or, enter a plea,
100. misstate the law regarding pleas of nolo contendere,
101. spout all that infernal "pinhead" nonsense (my apologies to Gilbert
and
Sullivan),
102. chortle, "there is no *there* there," or "oops, there it is" with no
substance to support such foolishness,
103. post copied text from news articles with no attribution and claim
"fair
use," despite the blatant plagiarism,
104. accuse others of having multiple soc.men identities to cover up her
own
attempts to disguise her own use of aliases,
105. disparage as "bitter boys" all who disagree with her, even if they
happen
to be female,
106. make all sorts of reckless generalizations about the law and fail to
offer any proof of them,
107. lie to people from countries other than the USA about the law in the
USA,

108. refer to foreign women as "green card whores,"
109. claim that men who disagree with her want women to "babysit" their
sperm,

110. downplay the harm to children of statutory rape, especially when women
commit statutory rape against boys,
111. demonstrate a morbid fixation for "inflatable women,"
112. spout utterly meaningless nonsense about "bodies and wallets,"
113. commit the logical fallacy of appealing to authority,
114. commit the logical fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc,
115. ignore the growing mountains of data that establish that
fatherlessness
harms children,
116. promote lesbian, out-of-wedlock child bearing as an ideal,
117. disparage her own deceased father,
118. claim that sperm has no "intrinsic value,"
119. disparage single fathers,
120. crow that "women stay,"
121. answer requests for legal citations with claims like "everyone knows
that" or "I am not going to reinvent the wheel for you,"
122. pronounce "there is no case that holds . . ." without offering any
research or competent citation to support that claim,
123. misuse the terms "generic" and "generically,"
124. misuse the terms "patriarch," "patriarchy," and "patriarchal,"
125. equivocate when Michael Snyder demands that she post a citation to a
"study" that is probably merely a figment of her flimsy feminist fantasy,
126. when caught red handed, blurts out meaningless phrases,
127. whine about someone else trying to "shoot the messenger" in a vain
attempt to cover up her complete lack of coherent argument,
128. refer to you as "Bubba,"
129. say "It has been my observation that . . . " immediately prior to
spouting some incredible nonsense,
130. laugh at boy victims of statutory rape and then later deny that she
laughed,
131. refer to "boys" bringing "soup" to her,
132. slander men with whom she disagrees by claiming that they "bought" or
"had to buy" wives,
133. pronounce "there is no study that shows . . ." without offering any
research or competent citation to support that claim,
134. whine repeatedly that surveys are not as effective as studies, then
cite
to the results of a self-selected survey to make sexist comments about men
or
boys,
135. claim that Manitoba is in Africa,
136. refer to unborn children as "gestation products,"
137. claim we are "evolving," but only to suit her man-hating agenda,
138. call you "hon," in a sarcastic, insincere manner,
139. whine that others have deleted the context of a posting, when she
routinely deletes significant context in a cowardly attempt to hide what
others
have said,
140. claim that sperm is "free,"
141. misrepresent the findings of studies and surveys,
142. refer to a "study" that she just can't seem to be able to find--after
months of being challenged on it,
143. waffle when informed that Manitoba is not in Africa,
144. attempt to draw ridiculous--and legally unsound--parallels between
domestic relations law and product liability law,
145. refer to "free and equal women," while implying that women are stupid,
helpless victims,
146. use every known logical fallacy,
147. imply that first woman was impregnated by alien semen that dropped
from
the sky,
148. deny that women commit domestic violence,
149. refer to women's acts of domestic violence as "throwing pasta,"
150. recount her made-up tale of her mother "throwing peas" at her father,
151. try to blame Russell Yates for the killings his wife, Andrea Yates,
allegedly committed,
152. claim that a serial killer filming his activities (as Leonard Lake is
rumored to have done) is the same as a "snuff film,"
153. display a morbid fixation with "snuff films,"
154. make snide remarks about "Strauss and Gelles," while displaying not
even
a fraction of the intellectual horsepower needed to refute the findings or
attack the methodology of that landmark study of domestic violence,
155. imply some sort of half-baked and incredibly stupid conspiracy theory
that the FBI and other government agencies are hiding "snuff films,"
156. accuse fathers of "sitting on their rights" whenever they suffer from
an
unfavorable court decision,
157. claim to have been a teacher, many years ago, in addition to the host
of
other "careers" she has held,
158. claim to have seen a "snuff film" as "evidence" in a murder case,
while
claiming not to have seen it (uh huh, you read correctly--remember it's
Pork-o
who said it),
159. misuse consistently the terms "vis-a-vis" and "viz,"
160. use the nonsense term "vis,"
161. misuse consistently "who's," when "whose" is correct and "who's" is
not,
162. claim to understand "proximate causation," when her postings make
clear
that she does not have the slightest understanding of the applicable
principles
of the law of negligence,
163. refer to children as a "harm,"
164. blame men for having a shorter average life expectancy than women;
165. defame Russell Yates,
166. defame Dr. Warren Farrell,
167. mangle the quotation of a post so badly that she doesn't even know to
whom she is replying,
168. deny that she is the notorious, man-hating, and discredited
"***@ix.netcom.com,"
169. kiss up to Mange, "jet," and anyone who identifies himself as a male
homosexual,
170. refer to "virgin sniffings,"
171. shout words in her messages in a completely illogical manner and,
then,
claim she was doing it for "effect" when someone confronts her foolish
practice,
172. refer to Africa as an homogenous political unit,
173. disparage other people's religion by referring to "salad-bar
Christians,"

174. claim to have had all of the following careers/jobs:
a. her own business,
b. educational publishing,
c. housecleaner,
d. suntan lotion packer (whatever *that* is supposed to mean),
e. telephone operator,
f. school teacher,
g. editor,
h. political assistant,
i. law clerk (yeah, like that one is believable), and
j. "brief stint" at Laura Scudders (I don't even want to think
about
that one),
175. use the word "control" excessively, often shouting it,
176. post sexist lies like "It's true that women give more of themselves to
children than men give,"
177. post sexist comments like "Because women have kids, they don't seem to
have as much time or patience for violence," as if men do not have kids,
178. refer to the "social contract" in a ridiculous manner,
179. refer to pregnancy as "housing the harm,"
180. use ellipses repeatedly in an erroneous manner,
181. repeatedly misuse "cite,"
182. use "default position" erroneously and with ridiculous frequency,
183. claim, "It takes TWO to 'co-create' a child" (shouting in original),
184. whine, "Women don't have to BE men in order to BE equal" (shouting in
original),
185. misuse the word "limpid,"
186. grin when she refers to men's shorter average life span,
187. threaten Stephen Morgan, in Message ID
<***@mb-bg.news.cs.com>,
188. refer to alleged reports citing alleged statistics, while failing to
provide citations to or titles of those alleged reports,
189. quote Rush Limbaugh, albeit unwittingly,
190. use the tragic terrorist attack of September 11, 2001 shamelessly as a
point of departure for feminist propaganda,
191. post racist and sexist slurs, such as "rich white guys,"
192. write incoherent posts that suggest she is operating under the
influence
of some drugs,
193. make specious attempts at distinguishing women who are pregnant from
women who *remain* pregnant, failing to appreciate the folly of such
attempts,
194. post incredibly lame attempts at "jokes,"
195. insult prisoners of war by claiming that Andrea Yates is a "POW,"
196. claim, falsely that women only murder people out of "self-defense,"
197. say that the forced wearing of a beard in Afghanistan does not
restrict
men's freedom,
198. spew victimist nonsense like "whatever men face in Taliban, women are
more
oppressed,"
199. claim that the "male military" prevents women from doing the military
jobs that men do, even though women are supposedly already doing those jobs
(yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense to me either; remember the source is
the
evil Pork2000),
200. display a morbid and disgusting obsession with fantasies of castration
of
men,
201. blame the victims of false accusations of rape by posting such garbage
as
"if men didn't rape, women couldn't accuse them of raping,"
202. excuse female murderers with hateful trash such as "women climb the
mountain [kill people] just to get to the other side,"
203. spout anti-male hate speech like "Why don't more men stick around to
parent and teach?",
204. spew misandrist hate speech such as "After all, isn't it men who
simply
must think about sex every seven seconds?",
205. refer incessantly to "what is between the legs" of someone,
206. suggest that anyone who disagrees with her should "move to
Afghanistan,"
207. claim, when women are not represented as at least 50% of something,
that
discrimination must be the cause of the lower representation,
208. claim, when men are not represented as at least 50% of something, that
men's lack of interest or motivation must be the cause of the lower
representation,
209. steal text from fathers' rights organizations and publications,
210. make all sorts of claims about alleged domestic violence "statistics"
from hospitals and "cop shops," without ever posting a scintilla of evidence
of
same,
211. spout deliberately sexist and inflammatory garbage, of which an
example
is "a BOY made my soup today," (shouting in original)
212. quote text deliberately out of context in order to smear "Fathering
Magazine,"
213. whine, "scratch and sniff," when thoroughly defeated in debate,
214. make ridiculous and false claims about "what every first year law
student
knows,"
215. show her blatant sexism by equating surgery for prostate cancer with
abortion,
216. refer to Afghanistan needlessly,
217. comment repeatedly on "Fanny Talibanis" (yeah, another Pork-o nonsense
term),
218. claim we live in a "rape culture,"
219. misuse quotation marks repeatedly,
220. lie, by stating that she posted some "study" that showed "men lied
more
about custody issues,"
221. say that "feminism is ABOUT equal rights" (Pork-o's stupid shouting in
original),
222. fawn over "Chyve Minde,"
223. post "Shame on you," in a classic feminist attempt to shame others,
particularly men,
224. support female promiscuity and adultery,
225. spout vile hatred such as "if a parent NEGLECTS a child by not paying
court ordered support, the parent is not worthy of visiting" (stupid Carol
Anne
shouting in original),
225. try to bother us with her bizarre fantasies about women being "kicked
to
the curb,"
226. whimper, I am losing patience with you, dear,"
227. ask the following moronic question over and over and over again:
"Would
you rather be male or female in Afghanistan?",
228. contradict herself in the same paragraph, by saying, "There is no
connection whatsover between the payment of child support and visitation. A
parent MUST pay court ordered support, whether or not they even have been
awarded visitation. AND, any
parent who has NEGLECTED his or her own child thru non-payment of support
usually does not get visitation." (stupid Pork-o shouting in original),
229. offer unintelligible junk like "The Electoral College serves to
prevent
the nations
cities dictate the resutlt and has nothing to do with the fact that we live
in
a democracy, and are governed within a republic." (verbatim quotation,
grammar
and spelling errors in original),
230. prattle about "sleeping with the enemy,"
231. use "men" and "sexists" interchangeably,
232. lie about other posters sending her "threats" by e-mail,
233. admit that she is female (in Message I.D.
<***@mb-mn.news.cs.com>), then waffle and try to
change the subject when someone confronts her on her admission,
234. refuse to provide a citation or source, saying "Common sense is my
source,"
235. assert, with no evidence whatsoever, that "fewer married women than
married men are promiscuous,"
236. post such vile misandrist invective as "So now you want women to be
envious of an overly sensitive, uncontrollable wad of flesh, subject to all
kinds of extrinsic harm....to also be jealous of there very same thing with
no
ability to function? I don't
fucking think so!",
237. claim, ridiculously, "Every time a woman gets pregnant, Ray, she takes
her life in her hands,"
238. evince a severe--and probably very dangerous--mental disorder with
comments such as "You don't like it; go spread spermicidal jelly on some
toast
like your female intellectual equal," (I think ol' Pork-o is either off her
meds, escaped from the mental hospital, going off the deep end, or all of
these
things),
239. try to insult her opponents by calling them "pin-dick,"
240. try to insult her opponents by calling them "little feller,"
241. slander George F. Will,
242. spew vile misandrist garbage like the following: "Any society
thatseparates, subjugates and subordinates just over 1/2 of their
population,
isdoomed to end up with dysfunction so that men rape boys and so that boys
whoare humiliated learn to blow up the phallic towers of their enemy,"
243. misname Maya Angelou's book by calling it ""Why Does the Caged
BirdSing,"
244. support the Superbowl hoax about domestic violence,
245. offer man-hating garbage like "Now you AND YOUR SON can go to Thailand
for service providers, and bring back more American female voters, (stupid
Pork-o shouting in original),
246. post foul misandry, lies, and sick fantasies, such as "Sperm is free;
it
runs like water into the sea; and, sperm banks make it even more available,
and
cloning may make it totally useless,"
247. use the World Trade Center terrorism shamelessly to spout her weird
agenda, by saying, "Any society that separates, subjugates and subordinates
just over 1/2 of their population, is doomed to end up with dysfunction so
that
men rape boys and so that boys who are humiliated learn to blow up the
phallic
towers of their enemy,"
248. assert that the Uniform Code of Military justice "adds" to one's
constitutional rights,
249. say, "Perhaps you are confused about ______,"
250. say, "Translation:", followed by a complete misstatement of what
another
person wrote,
251. moan, "bitter boys did not arrive here alone,"
252. assert, Men cannot be credited with "conception" on any level,"
253. claim that Deb is a "sock puppet,"
254, threaten to "put a filter on" Hope,
255. lie that T. R. Ellis and Chris Raum are the same person,
256. lie that Steve Imparl is posting from an ISP in the UK,
257. grin at the sexual abuse of girls,
258. say, "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent,"
259. preface a lie with any of the following signal phrases or sentences:
a. "Not so."
b. "There was a study."
c. "You have NO case..."
d. "There is no study..."
e. "There is NO law..."
f. "At my place of business..."
g. "I am an employer and..."
h. "Shame on you for..."
i. "Courts understand that..."
j. "Judges understand that..."
k. "I have [had] an employee who..."
260. trim the headers of a message,
261. talk about how the state should "punish a boy who has used violence to
kill himself?",
262. allege she isn't going to "reinvent the wheel" in order to avoid
backing
up her erroneous claims,
263. claim to know a woman who gave birth "10 years into menopause",
264. say anything about "detrimental reliance",
264. say that circumcision of infant boys is not extreme violence,
266. claim, "Women seem pretty content having careers and
children and boys on the side.",
267. say, "The default position is," followed by some absurdity,
268. say sometimes that she has two children, and other times that she has
three children,
269. tell others that they are "not logical",
270. tell others that they are "not moral",
271. refer to "phallocentric religions",
272. refer to a "male only god",
273. talk about "postors:,
274. use "paucity" ad nauseam;
Post by Hyerdahl3
Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 1/3/2005 11:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Most men are killed by lack of medical funding.
There's a huge difference between homicides and death by Bush. :-)
r***@pdq.net
2004-12-23 02:51:27 UTC
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Post by Hyerdahl1
Subject: Re: The FACTS about murdered pregnant women; it's male killers
Date: 12/22/2004 6:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
They shouldn't try to trap a man through lying about
contraception>should
Post by Hyerdahl1
they?
Lying about sex is a well-known ploy of men trying to get sexual favor. I
don't think you want to take a survey or do a study on who (w/m) lies more
about sex, do you? :-)
Let's see. When men lie about sex it is to help along a sexual
encounter which (these days) would probably happen anyway. And the
woman risks nothing (beyond an STD - works both ways) and heartbreak
(it happens to everybody anyway). Abortion on demand and all of that.
When women lie about sex it is for the purpose of coercing a large
portion of her "lovers" income for the next 18 years. Or worse, much
worse, eliminate his chance to have an offspring of his own if he
continues to believe in his marriage.
So, who is it that should be the most worried about sexual lies?
And who is it that would lose the most if sexual lying suddenly became
impossible to get away with???


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Post by Hyerdahl1
They should fucking well ask him before they plan to use the law tosteal his
house, wages and pension.
Ask him what? Both women and men risk childbirth when they engage in
unprotected sex, no? Women need not "ask men" anything at all in order to
exercise their own rights over their own bodies. You're just living in a
slave/master 'phantasy' dear.
It's so obvious Parg. If they don't want the funeral, don't commit the crime.
What "funeral"? Women thrive in the glory of their own choices, dear. Too bad
bitter boys feel stifled in their own choices. As to the murdered pregnant
women, their husbands could have been killed in self defense, had those women
thought ahead or those men will be killed by the state so no other women need
experience their anger, eh?
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is
required.
Post by Hyerdahl1
(Secret Life of Bees)
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